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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: August 18, 2020, 6:06 am
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> but calling it a racist gesture is plane irresponsible.
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It flies in the face of rationality.
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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: DOK
Date: August 18, 2020, 6:16 am
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I think it's only a request for clarification rather than an
accusation so far. As I said, I hope it proves to be a storm in
a teacup.
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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: toast
Date: August 18, 2020, 6:54 am
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Anyone can take a knee as a ‘show’ of support but surely it’s
the long term change of attitude and behaviour of EVERYONE, on
ALL sides of this debate that will make the real difference.
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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: never sleep
Date: August 18, 2020, 7:15 am
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I think any player not taking the knee is setting themselves up
for a torrent of abuse in the press and on social media.
Better to just to do as everyone else does, kneel and get it
over and done with.
If the player doesn't agree with it, then they can just kneel
down at the back of the team so they don't appear on photos.
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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: August 18, 2020, 8:15 am
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SA sports politics are bizarre, byzantine, and frequently
incomprehensible, and this is a great example of how it can work
in practice. Attacks like these are fairly commonplace and
should not reflect on the players or the sport in this country,
nor detract from what's trying to be achieved.
There's little doubt that some of the SA leadership is
self-serving, disingenuous, and potentially dangerous.
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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: MadMax
Date: August 18, 2020, 8:39 am
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>
> I think any player not taking the knee is setting themselves
up for a torrent of abuse in the press and on social media.
> Better to just to do as everyone else does, kneel and get it
over and done with.
> If the player doesn't agree with it, then they can just kneel
down at the back of the team so they don't appear on photos.
>
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I understand what you are saying but this will just turn it into
a meaningless gesture.
The real problem is with a small but vocal minority who are only
prepared to interpret things in a way to think the worst of
others. They only inflame the situation and until this changes
it's difficult to see how anything will really change.
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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: RocQuin
Date: August 18, 2020, 9:46 am
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Surely, if all players are obligated to take this action, then
the whole thing becomes meaningless.
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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: never sleep
Date: August 18, 2020, 10:24 am
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> Surely, if all players are obligated to take this action, then
the whole thing becomes meaningless.
>
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I suspect that this is the way it will go.
During Autumn internationals, England players are obliged to
sing "God save the Queen" even if they are republicans; and to
do a 2 minute silence - even if they are a pacifist group that
disagrees with doing it; and play on Sunday - even if they are
deeply religious.
While ever there is a view that adhering to these actions is the
right thing, then it is impossible for sports people to do
anything else.
They have to wear rainbow laces and take the knee, etc.
Basically, it is not up to them to belive in what they are
saying - we just need them to show that they are towing the line
with what the RFU, etc want to promote. After all, the RFU, etc
are paying their salaries. They are basically just adverts for
the RFU.
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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: Adrian
Date: August 18, 2020, 10:46 am
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> I suspect that this is the way it will go.
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Then in my opinion that would be wrong.
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> During Autumn internationals, England players are obliged to
sing "God save the Queen"
>
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They are not obliged to sing, they are obliged to stand while it
is being sung.
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Re: Things just got interesting
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: August 18, 2020, 10:49 am
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I suspect some people are overreacting to what is a very South
African problem. Rugby in the UK does not demand people kneel,
and were it not for SA's messed-up politics, there would not
have been any drama about Friday's game.
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