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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: Quinten Poulsen Date: August 14, 2020, 11:29 am
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[quote author=Cookie link=topic=2807.msg46909#msg46909
date=1597413941]
Why are you getting so hung up on custody? George Floyd was
killed on the street. Breonna Taylor was killed in her own home.
In her home!!!
Maybe you're not seeing what I'm seeing, but every single day
it's abuse of black people. When was the last time you saw or
even heard of an illegal murder of a white person by a police
officer.
[/quote]
Most people don't hear about it because the media barely reports
it.
US police have shot and killed 11 unarmed white people so far
this year. Try searching the BBC or The Guardian or any other
media outlet and see how many of them reported the deaths of
these people -
Hannah Fizer, Tyler Hays, Nicholas Bils, Giuseppe Particianone,
Zachary Shane Gifford, John Mark Hendrick, Aaron Tolen, Brian
Marksberry, Kenneth Mullins, Christopher Palmer, Stephen
O'Brien.
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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: JammyGit Date: August 14, 2020, 11:58 am
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[quote author=Le Tiss link=topic=2807.msg46929#msg46929
date=1597418508]
As i say I am no expert and I am sure the opposing medical
practitioners will have their say in court. I just find the
transcripts of the exchanges interesting. I am not nailing my
colours to any particular mast in this. It is a tragic incident
regardless of the root cause. A man lost his life and that is
awful. The exchanges certainly paint an interesting angle on
things. He was acting erratically/irrationally when the police
arrived, the exchanges confirm that. He was claiming to be
struggling to breathe when the police arrived, again the
exchanges seem to confirm that also. Assuming the exchanges are
being accurately reported then something weird was going on. As
I say the court will decide on all of this, and as I said
before, i do not think they acted in his best interests if he
was struggling medically.
[/quote]
There's no opposing medical practitioners, though. There's been
an official autopsy and an independent one, and they both say
the same thing. An incredibly partisan view from the Spectator,
who have repeatedly laid all the blame on the victim, does not
change that.
"He was claiming to be struggling to breathe when the police
arrived, again the exchanges seem to confirm that also." - no.
Here is the actual transcript:
HTML https://www.twincities.com/2020/07/09/george-floyd-transcript-read-it-in-full-here/<br
/>he does not say that when the police arrived. He says it once
after making it really clear he was panicking from having a gun
on him, being handcuffed, and stuffed into the back of a car
with associated claustrophobia.
He did say "I can't breathe" about 20 times before they killed
him, though. In case that wasn't clear.
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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: Le Tiss Date: August 14, 2020, 12:22 pm
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And well before he was on the ground. He appears to be acting
strangely and his friend even asked him to stop resisting.
Either way it will come out in court. The view in the admittedly
biased spectator is from a medical practitioner. I dont know the
answers here but the court will decide eventually. I am not
saying the police are blameless here. At best they failed in a
duty of care and at worst they are directly responsible for his
death.
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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: JammyGit Date: August 14, 2020, 12:32 pm
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What? The dude in the Spectator is a former prosecutor, not a
medical practitioner. A medical practitioner probably wouldn't
second-guess two separate autopsies or try and make a big claim
about fentanyl without knowing how fentanyl works.
The NYT article IS written by a medical expert, who says this:
[quote]My analysis of Mr. Floyd�s toxicology report is that
drugs could not have contributed to his death. Nor could they
have made him �crazed.� In other words, drugs didn�t make him
act so violently that lethal force was necessary nor did it
cause some fatal medical condition.
Mr. Floyd had a negligible amount of drugs in his system � 19
nanograms per milliliter of methamphetamine and 2.9 nanograms
per milliliter of THC, the major psychoactive ingredient in
marijuana. Those numbers suggest he hadn�t used them in at least
several hours, maybe a day.
...
He also had 11 nanograms of fentanyl in his blood. That number,
in and of itself, doesn�t tell us much. Immediately after a
person dies, the blood concentration of fentanyl increases
significantly, so knowing only the post-mortem amount does not
tell us about Mr. Floyd�s level of intoxication before his
death.
What�s more, the same amount of fentanyl that produces euphoria
in a tolerant user can result in an overdose in a newer user.
That�s why, along with the toxicology report, we have to look at
Mr. Floyd�s behavior shortly before his death.
Videos show Mr. Floyd behaving rationally and appropriately,
considering the circumstances. When officers asked him to get
out of his car, he did not seem drowsy or lethargic, which is
how people high on opioids behave.[/quote]
so the guy in the Spectator confidently claiming George Floyd
was responsible for his own death can take a hike, frankly.
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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: Cookie Date: August 14, 2020, 1:33 pm
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I hope deniers are watching Ugo, Maro and Ellis in this pre-game
show.
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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: RodneyRegis Date: August 14, 2020, 1:52 pm
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"Deniers". Good grief.
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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: Cookie Date: August 14, 2020, 4:50 pm
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[quote author=RodneyRegis link=topic=2807.msg46946#msg46946
date=1597431170]
"Deniers". Good grief.
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Problem?
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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: Quinten Poulsen Date: August 14, 2020, 6:50 pm
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[quote author=Cookie link=topic=2807.msg46987#msg46987
date=1597441833]
Problem?
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I imagine he's wondering about questions of people like Ugo that
go unanswered from people who have differing views.
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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: Cookie Date: August 14, 2020, 7:03 pm
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What questions?
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Re: Well Said, Ugo
By: Quinten Poulsen Date: August 14, 2020, 7:05 pm
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What racism? Specifics please.
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