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Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: Quinky
Date: August 14, 2020, 4:12 am
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--- Quote from: Cookie link ---
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> So, to summarise..........
>
> Lots of people are racist (although I do think a lot of them
don't realise they are).
>
> There's no point trying to do anything about it.
>
> Blacks are worse than whites.
>
> Got it.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Cookie link ---
>
> So, to summarise..........
>
> Lots of people are racist (although I do think a lot of them
don't realise they are).
>
> There's no point trying to do anything about it.
>
> Blacks are worse than whites.
>
> Got it.
>
--- End Quote ---
You're right. We should all kneel. Then racism will disappear
forever. Job done.
And then you woke up. "Woke" seemingly being the key word here.
BTW, non-white people can be every bit as racist as white
people.
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Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: August 14, 2020, 4:41 am
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> You may already know this but its use has been adopted from
when Colin Kaepernick (NFL player) refused to stand proud during
the American anthem at the beginning of a game, over the
treatment of black people, and knelt instead.
>
> So it may seem an odd gesture on the face of it but less so,
when you consider its origin.
>
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I thought it was from MLK?? Didnt he take a knee, to pray??
#Post#: 46863--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: August 14, 2020, 4:46 am
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--- Quote from: honkytonk link ---
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> I thought it was from MLK?? Didnt he take a knee, to pray??
>
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That is what it says in the article that was originally posted,
but clearly some people are commenting without actually having
read it.
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Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: August 14, 2020, 4:47 am
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No it's from Kaepernick in response to police killing black
people but not white people. They never kill white people
because otherwise we'd read about it in the media.
#Post#: 46865--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: Spitfire
Date: August 14, 2020, 4:49 am
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Ugo spoke about it a little on the BBC rugby podcast, nobody
agrees exactly where it comes from, you can certainly trace it
back to MLK. Kaepernick definitely inspired the more recent
interpretation though.
What’s frustrating about this whole debate is that simply
explaining why people like Ugo feel the need to kneel gets bad
faith arguments that don’t even want to consider the premise.
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Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: Quinky
Date: August 14, 2020, 4:51 am
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--- Quote from: Spitfire link ---
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> Ugo spoke about it a little on the BBC rugby podcast, nobody
agrees exactly where it comes from, you can certainly trace it
back to MLK. Kaepernick definitely inspired the more recent
interpretation though.
>
> What’s frustrating about this whole debate is that simply
explaining why people like Ugo feel the need to kneel gets bad
faith arguments that don’t even want to consider the premise.
>
--- End Quote ---
I fully respect Ugo's decision to kneel, and the same goes for
anyone else.
#Post#: 46870--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: Spitfire
Date: August 14, 2020, 5:16 am
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Agreed, just as it’s completely fine for anyone to choose not to
kneel for their own personal reasons, they also have a right not
to be victimised for doing so.
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Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: never sleep
Date: August 14, 2020, 5:24 am
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My issue with kneeling is this.
Assume that there is a vaccine and we return to normal and the
first game at the Stoop is going to be marking BLM.
Kneeling down for me is a bit of an issue. It is painful and I
probably need help back up.
So, I would be dreading going back to the Stoop and being
expected to kneel.
But, on the other hand, if I don't kneel, then I will be
targeted as a racist.
So, my plan would be to go to the Queens Head to queue for a
pint a little before kick off. This way, I could guarantee that
I would not be back at my seat in time for kick-off and I could
just avoid it.
No-one would judge me then if I didn't kneel.
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Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: Cookie
Date: August 14, 2020, 5:26 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> You're right. We should all kneel. Then racism will disappear
forever. Job done.
>
> And then you woke up. "Woke" seemingly being the key word
here.
>
> BTW, non-white people can be every bit as racist as white
people.
>
--- End Quote ---
I didn't say racism would disappear, did I? It would be nice to
think we might try something that might help, though. Neither
did I say racism is confined to white people - clearly it's not.
But maybe, just maybe, if black people hadn't been suppressed
for hundreds of years, things might be a bit calmer. And I don't
know the facts on the % of white and black men killed by the
police, but given how white men massively outnumber black men,
that would seem an obvious assumption. Struggling to understand
the point you're making, mind.
Appreciate you reminding me of the reason I didn't bother coming
here for 6 months, though.
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Re: Re: Well Said, Ugo comments
DIR By: Cookie
Date: August 14, 2020, 5:29 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
>
> My issue with kneeling is this.
> Assume that there is a vaccine and we return to normal and the
first game at the Stoop is going to be marking BLM.
> Kneeling down for me is a bit of an issue. It is painful and I
probably need help back up.
> So, I would be dreading going back to the Stoop and being
expected to kneel.
> But, on the other hand, if I don't kneel, then I will be
targeted as a racist.
> So, my plan would be to go to the Queens Head to queue for a
pint a little before kick off. This way, I could guarantee that
I would not be back at my seat in time for kick-off and I could
just avoid it.
> No-one would judge me then if I didn't kneel.
>
>
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I've never seen any crowds take the knee (it was happening
pre-covid and also in countries where restrictions are being
lifted). This is something only the players do.
As was mentioned by the RFU, each club is taking the action they
decide. Some are huddling, some wearing tee shirts. Quins
players and staff have decided to kneel.
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