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Arlecchino
DIR By: Perdita
Date: August 1, 2020, 8:44 am
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Given that the character of Harlequin originated from improvised
theatre of 16th-century Italy, surely Harlequins should be
looking to drop all association and rebrand as Twickenham RFC?
Harlequin was an unfortunate and often beaten servant whose
clothes were covered in patches, his face was covered to hide
his shame with a black half-mask and I now feel very nervous at
mocking this poor figure and wonder whether now is the right
time for change.
If brave Exeter can move on, surely Quins can?
By the way, this isn't a serious suggestion and I'm one fan that
will welcome the Chiefs with open arms, feathers and all.
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Re: Arlecchino
DIR By: raedarius
Date: August 1, 2020, 9:23 am
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I had no idea Richard Littlejohn was on our forum.
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Re: Arlecchino
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: August 1, 2020, 4:50 pm
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Can’t be Twickenham RFC, they already exist.
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Re: Arlecchino
DIR By: never sleep
Date: August 2, 2020, 2:04 am
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I think Harlequins are okay in this debate. Is not like we fans
wear feathered headdresses or fezes.
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Re: Arlecchino
DIR By: poorfour
Date: August 2, 2020, 2:34 am
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Being serious for a moment, I think the important distinction
here is that Arlecchino was a fictional character whom very few
people remember these days, whereas Native Americans were and
are real people.
Personally, I like the headdresses and the Tomahawk chop - but I
can also recognise that there are other human beings out there
for whom it’s quite offensive that a club in a sport played
mostly by rich white men has adopted as its name and symbol a
caricature of a culture to which it has no real connection.
While in theory we have laws and a culture that should promote
equality, in practice there’s plenty of evidence that ethnic and
other minorities are still exposed to behaviours that undermine
them at every turn. Exeter changing their name can seem like a
fuss about nothing if you’re not on the receiving end, but from
the other end of the telescope it’s a meaningful step in the
right direction.
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Re: Arlecchino
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: August 2, 2020, 4:09 am
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--- Quote from: Perdita link ---
>
> Given that the character of Harlequin originated from
improvised theatre of 16th-century Italy, surely Harlequins
should be looking to drop all association and rebrand as
Twickenham RFC? Harlequin was an unfortunate and often beaten
servant whose clothes were covered in patches, his face was
covered to hide his shame with a black half-mask and I now feel
very nervous at mocking this poor figure and wonder whether now
is the right time for change.
>
> If brave Exeter can move on, surely Quins can?
>
> By the way, this isn't a serious suggestion and I'm one fan
that will welcome the Chiefs with open arms, feathers and all.
>
--- End Quote ---
..."brave" Exeter...saw what you did there...
To me, that is the point. In no way , shape or form do I feel
like anyone is poking fun at or deriding native americans here.
It is rather a celebration of their braveness and their culture
as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Arlecchino
DIR By: Quinky
Date: August 2, 2020, 4:25 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
>
> Exeter changing their name can seem like a fuss about nothing
if you’re not on the receiving end, but from the other end of
the telescope it’s a meaningful step in the right direction.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is what I find odd. What are the native Americans "on the
receiving end" of?
If one listens to the "humour" of Jo Brand, one finds that she
often mocks and derides men.
If you listen to what is claimed to be the "humour" of Nish
Kumar, he openly insults and mocks the usual victims - Brexit
voters, Tories etc.
Why is one deemed to be hyper offensive when there is no mocking
or insults, yet the true vitriol is acceptable?
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Re: Arlecchino
DIR By: Quintron
Date: August 2, 2020, 4:50 am
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Is the OP meant to be satire?
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Re: Arlecchino
DIR By: raedarius
Date: August 2, 2020, 4:51 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
>
>
> ..."brave" Exeter...saw what you did there...
>
>
> To me, that is the point. In no way , shape or form do I feel
like anyone is poking fun at or deriding native americans here.
It is rather a celebration of their braveness and their culture
as far as I am concerned.
>
--- End Quote ---
It's not really a celebration of their culture, it's nothing
more than a tough looking guy in a head-dress and some face
paint. Who does he represent? What does he really tell you
about Native American culture?
Perhaps if we were using the Harlequin character to represent
the inherent nature, culture and appearance of all Europeans
then the original post would make a little more sense, but only
if one of our bars had the Albanian flag as its logo, and the
bar staff wore kilts...
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Re: Arlecchino
DIR By: Quinky
Date: August 2, 2020, 5:54 am
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--- Quote from: raedarius link ---
>
> It's not really a celebration of their culture, it's nothing
more than a tough looking guy in a head-dress and some face
paint. Who does he represent? What does he really tell you
about Native American culture?
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Why does it need to tell anyone anything about Native American
culture? People have Pacific Island tribal tattoos, that tell
you nothing about Samoan culture or Tongan history. The Chiefs
emblem is simply a picture, and it shows no disrespect. For the
fams, and most rugby fans, it represents Exeter Chiefs.
Next time you buy a pizza, will you make sure there's a history
of Italy included. Or if you buy a Peugeot, sign up for a course
on French culture?
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