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#Post#: 45084--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: Quinky
Date: July 1, 2020, 4:12 am
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I think with Esterhuizen coming in, we already have a better
(IMO) option.
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Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: poorfour
Date: July 1, 2020, 6:10 am
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One of the things that JK said when he became DoR was that he
had had some preconceptions about the squad and how he planned
to change it, but when he actually got to see the contracts that
players were on it changed his mind about who represented good
value and who didn't. He wasn't drawn further on the topic, but
it's clear that very few people - even within the club -
actually know what we have agreed with individual players. And
that includes journalists.
So although there's a headline figure touted for what Manu is
on, it may not reflect what he would be paid in reality. I think
we should have some faith that the club wouldn't negotiate a
contract - especially for a headline player of that standard -
without taking into account how much he'd actually play. If he's
looking to leave and make a quick move, it gives some
negotiating leverage, especially if he wants to stay in England.
There's also a commercial element beyond the playing element.
Clubs have a big financial rebuilding exercise to do, and that
means getting bums on seats as much as social distancing allows.
Manu is arguably the highest profile English rugby player at the
moment, in terms of being a drawcard for casual fans, and he's
an asset to any club in that regard. People who would like to
see him play live and can't afford a ticket to Twickers might
well be tempted to come and see him at the Stoop.
All of which said, does he fit into the Quins midfield? In
theory we've got 6-7 Senior centres, including 2 big boshers
(Estehuizen and Lasike), 2 playmakers (Lang and Marchant) and
Taps, who can do a bit of both. We also have an horrendous
injury record in the centres over the last few seasons. Manu
doesn't have a great injury record himself, but he has been a
lot more robust over the last 18 months and he would give us
options at 13 and 12.
#Post#: 45094--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: Quinston Churchill
Date: July 1, 2020, 6:50 am
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No thanks. Great player at his best, but for all the reasons
already outlined, he’s a no for me.
If we’re going to spend that kind of money, I’d much see a world
class lock.
#Post#: 45096--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: Quinky
Date: July 1, 2020, 7:40 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> People who would like to see him play live and can't afford a
ticket to Twickers might well be tempted to come and see him at
the Stoop.
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Looking at recent seasons, I don't think we have the capacity to
make this a viable argument though. If we (were) getting
sellouts or near to sellouts on most Saturday games, a few
hundred ticket sales isn't going to bolster the bank balance
greatly. Quick maths says that "if" we sold an extra 1,000
tickets per game, at £25, for 10 games, that would bring in
£500k. (Just example numbers, nothing too scientific about it).
But how often do we have 1,000 empty seats? Would he play 10
home games per season? Even then, if his salary is likely to be
higher than £500k, it still doesn't work out as viable.
#Post#: 45098--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: Donuts
Date: July 1, 2020, 7:42 am
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am sure Bristol will snap him up !!
#Post#: 45102--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: MadMax
Date: July 1, 2020, 9:37 am
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A no from me too particularly as he seems to now be deserting
the club who continually paid his wages through endless injury
absences.
#Post#: 45103--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: July 1, 2020, 9:41 am
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Swings and roundabouts, he turned down big money moves to France
to stay at Tigers.
#Post#: 45105--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: Jedzi
Date: July 1, 2020, 9:53 am
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A definite 'no' from me as well.
On his day he's a game changer, but he's had so much time out
injured and with disciplinary problems. He didn't play a test
for England for 4 1/2 years. He's had something like 2 1/2
years out injured in the last 5 1/2 years. Last season, when he
was free of injury problems and discipline issues, he went off
to play for England for the 6 Nations & came back with ...
another ban. The cost of his actual time spent on the pitch for
Tigers must be huge.
If I was Eddie Jones & didn't have to worry about money I'd
probably play him, but for a club with no multi-millionaire
benefactor and a salary cap he's too much of a risk.
Poorfour's point that we don't know what people are actually
paid is valid, but unless he'd play for us for a very low
salary, then I wouldn't want us to spend money on him when there
are other areas to address.
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Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: July 1, 2020, 10:10 am
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There's no doubt that he's improved his game but his hands are
still a liability. Marchant is so much more than just a
bulldozer and his vision, pace and distribution is much better
than Manu's. Thanks but no thanks for me.
#Post#: 45107--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manu to Quins?
DIR By: DazzaS
Date: July 1, 2020, 12:30 pm
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Nope!
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