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Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: MadMax
Date: June 18, 2020, 2:29 pm
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Oh dear. I have a feeling this thread isn't going to end well.
Or quickly enough.
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Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: DOK
Date: June 18, 2020, 4:40 pm
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The song has been sung as a rugby song (complete with gestures)
from the year dot. The song sung during an England rugby match
is as I said earlier.
See The Metro
HTML http://The song is believed to have been first used by rugby
fans when Martin Offiah was playing at the Middlesex Sevens
tournament at Twickenham in 1987. The following year, ‘Swing
Low, Sweet Chariot’ was sung again towards Chris Oti after he
scored a hat trick in England’s win against Ireland.
The song is believed to have been first used by rugby fans when
Martin Offiah was playing at the Middlesex Sevens tournament at
Twickenham in 1987. The following year, ‘Swing Low, Sweet
Chariot’ was sung again towards Chris Oti after he scored a hat
trick in England’s win against Ireland.
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Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: KiltedQuin
Date: June 18, 2020, 5:15 pm
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--- Quote from: BedfordshireBoy link ---
>
> I am not sure that Swing Low has anything at all to do with
Martin Offiah, it was always sung in the after match revelries
when I first started playing club rugby in the early sixties.
>
--- End Quote ---
We sungSwing Low as schoolboys coming back from rugby matches in
the late sixties in Scotland so it's not a song that first got
used by England at twickenham in the 80s. I've heard it sung in
clubhouses all over. England have adopted it and also associated
it with Martin Offiah. There seems to be a triumvirate of Swing
Low, Chariots Offiah and Jerusalem that has embedded itself into
England rugby.
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Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: June 19, 2020, 3:03 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> Swing Low has been a bone of contention for literally decades.
It is SUPER weird that an overwhelmingly white & middle/upper
class crowd has been singing a slave song at rugby matches, and
even weirder that it was originally sung "in honour" of a black
player.
>
> Also: "National Mass Hysteria for BAME virtue signalling"?
Come on. Why do you and people like you refuse to accept that
these things are genuine?
>
--- End Quote ---
Jammy you speak as though you are the BLM warrior on here. For
context, my mother came from Naini Tal, Uttarakhand which
borders Nepal and China and I myself was born in South Africa.
"People like me"?.....Get back in your box.
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Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: Domestos
Date: June 19, 2020, 3:18 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
>
> Jammy you speak as though you are the BLM warrior on here. For
context, my mother came from Naini Tal, Uttarakhand which
borders Nepal and China and I myself was born in South Africa.
"People like me"?.....Get back in your box.
>
--- End Quote ---
"I myself". Oh dear.
#Post#: 44493--------------------------------------------------
Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: DazzaS
Date: June 19, 2020, 3:41 am
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Something I never understand is why ethnic minorities is called
BAME, emphasising black people have more prominence when
according to the last census, 3% of the country is black while
7% is Asian. Surely more should be done for Asian inclusivity?
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Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: June 19, 2020, 3:51 am
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--- Quote from: Domestos link ---
>
> "I myself". Oh dear.
>
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The sentence is grammatically correct. Myself - used for
emphasis, my own self or person; as I myself will do it; I have
done it myself; -- used also instead of me, as the object of the
first person of a reflexive verb, without emphasis; as, I will
defend myself.19 Sep 2008
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Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: Monte
Date: June 19, 2020, 4:18 am
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As Ugo said on Radio 4 with Martin Offiah you cannot stop people
singing it. Ugo doesn’t seem that bothered thinks people need
educating at school and it will gradually disappear. Matin said
when he was in the stands after he stopped playing people looked
at him and he was just a bit embarrassed!
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Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: June 19, 2020, 4:58 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
>
> Jammy you speak as though you are the BLM warrior on here. For
context, my mother came from Naini Tal, Uttarakhand which
borders Nepal and China and I myself was born in South Africa.
"People like me"?.....Get back in your box.
>
--- End Quote ---
People like you and others who share your views and opinions.
People who immediately proclaim that anyone who actually thinks
and cares about this stuff is pretending in some way.
I'm not going to bother taking this any further: from the Collin
Osborne thread to this one, it's pretty clear that there's a
vanishingly small number of people willing to actually think
about these things and not just kneejerk into angry
defensiveness and dismissal of entire movements as somehow
fabricated.
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Re: Swing Low is "racist"
DIR By: Only Joe Quin
Date: June 19, 2020, 5:14 am
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I don’t know if black people find Swing Low offensive but, if
they do, I will forego the pleasure of singing it at Twickers in
order to avoid giving offence. If some choose to consider this
as virtue signalling, so be it.
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