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       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: SwindonQuin
       Date: June 18, 2020, 11:14 am
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       --- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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       > The primary mission of raising awareness? I think you've got
       that rather wrong. It's not about raising awareness. It's an
       outpouring of rage and grief and demanding widespread change
       because enough is enough.
       >
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       I have no intention of getting into an argument over this issue,
       there are too many view points and individual opinions to have a
       rational discussion without issues arising.
       #Post#: 44450--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: raedarius
       Date: June 18, 2020, 11:53 am
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       --- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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       > Swing Low has been a bone of contention for literally decades.
       It is SUPER weird that an overwhelmingly white & middle/upper
       class crowd has been singing a slave song at rugby matches, and
       even weirder that it was originally sung "in honour" of a black
       player.
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       In honour of a black player whose surname we aren't even
       pronouncing correctly...
       #Post#: 44452--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: June 18, 2020, 12:13 pm
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       --- Quote from: raedarius link ---
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       > In honour of a black player whose surname we aren't even
       pronouncing correctly...
       >
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       In the same way that we never pronounced Ugo properly, as I
       understand it?
       #Post#: 44453--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: June 18, 2020, 12:16 pm
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       --- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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       >
       > Also: "National Mass Hysteria for BAME virtue signalling"?
       Come on. Why do you and people like you refuse to accept that
       these things are genuine?
       >
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       Because in most people's eyes, they rarely are. Neither I nor
       any of my last 5 generations owned slaves, and I'm guessing you
       never did. I also don't know any black person that worked in a
       cotton field.
       As for racism, you'd be really surprised at reality versus
       perception, and bandwagon jumping.
       #Post#: 44454--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: J Scott
       Date: June 18, 2020, 12:38 pm
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       Well I’m sure the crowd will listen to this or b sing louder.
       #Post#: 44457--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: Samquin
       Date: June 18, 2020, 12:55 pm
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       --- Quote from: BedfordshireBoy link ---
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       > I am not sure that Swing Low has anything at all to do with
       Martin Offiah, it was always sung in the after match revelries
       when I first started playing club rugby in the early sixties.
       >
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       I also recall this in the clubhouse from the late 70s. Mind you
       it also included all the hand gestures.
       #Post#: 44458--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: quinalan
       Date: June 18, 2020, 1:01 pm
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       i picked Strawberries once, so please no songs about that!
       #Post#: 44460--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: Mayor West
       Date: June 18, 2020, 1:32 pm
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       Oh no! That’s a Beatles classic gone then.
       #Post#: 44465--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: QuincyJones
       Date: June 18, 2020, 2:00 pm
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       --- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
       >
       > Swing Low has been a bone of contention for literally decades.
       It is SUPER weird that an overwhelmingly white & middle/upper
       class crowd has been singing a slave song at rugby matches, and
       even weirder that it was originally sung "in honour" of a black
       player.
       >
       > Also: "National Mass Hysteria for BAME virtue signalling"?
       Come on. Why do you and people like you refuse to accept that
       these things are genuine?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       It's SUPER weird that a song with zero mention of slaves, racist
       language, or in fact any race in at all should be deemed racist
       in the slightest. It wasn't written as a racist song, so
       therefore isn't a racist song.
       I heard Hitler once sang Happy Birthday. Disgusting song.
       People need to concern themselves with real issues.
       #Post#: 44466--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Swing Low is "racist"
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: June 18, 2020, 2:10 pm
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       Allowing these student union types who identify as apache
       gunships and prefer the pronoun “they” to have a platform was
       the thin edge of the wedge. Now we live in a society in everyone
       is offended by anything.
       I’m praying for an asteroid to collide with earth and put me out
       of my misery
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