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       #Post#: 43221--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: Domestos
       Date: May 19, 2020, 10:13 am
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       --- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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       > I am a little surprised that the club isn't coming up with
       options for membership renewals for next season.
       > Next season is likely to be impacted in some way - maybe small
       - maybe big. Impossible to tell.
       > My wife has a long term health condition and we will therefore
       need to be cautious.
       > So, renewing all of our memberships for the whole year is
       something that I have to consider carefully as, even if there is
       minor impact, there may be a scenario where we can't attend the
       games anyway and the money is wasted.
       >
       >
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       In the scenarios that you paint, I would have thought your best
       bet would be to sit on your hands.
       Which is what I intend to do.
       #Post#: 43222--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: May 19, 2020, 10:25 am
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       --- Quote from: Domestos link ---
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       > In the scenarios that you paint, I would have thought your
       best bet would be to sit on your hands.
       >
       > Which is what I intend to do.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I agree - but, I don't want someone else to buy my seat.  I sit
       next to friends - so it would be annoying if I couldn't get my
       existing seat as someone else is in it.
       But, it is not worth paying lots of money to prevent it.  I
       would, however, be willing to pay a modest amount to prevent it
       being available to other season ticket holders.
       I like the idea of "country member".  It is a common at other
       clubs.  At Richmond, you can become member without having a
       season ticket.  In fact, membership allows you to buy a season
       ticket.
       #Post#: 43223--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: Brown Bottle
       Date: May 19, 2020, 10:38 am
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       [quote=LA Old Tim(e) Quin]I was fortunate enough to have been
       ... a 'Country Member'[/quote]
       Yes, I remember!
       #Post#: 43224--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: LA Old Tim(e) Quin
       Date: May 19, 2020, 11:16 am
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       In the event that the sport, therefore the professional clubs,
       were closed down for a considerable time I am sure that
       membership incentives will be closely looked at by clubs. It
       might be that to remain solvent they will need to compete with
       other forward thinking sporting clubs, and revert to 'old style'
       membership packages to retain/attract supporters. What Never
       Sleep suggests seems a good common sense approach, a small
       concession by the club to retain his support by allowing him to
       retain his seat at a reduced membership option rather than loose
       him altogether.
       #Post#: 43226--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: May 19, 2020, 1:30 pm
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       Until theres a vaccine, which lets be honest will probably be
       another 6 months away (and thats generous considering we didnt
       even develop one for SARS), any form of entertaiment wether
       thats sport or a music venue will be irresponsible to open.
       Perhaps advances in near instant covid tests will help, as in
       theory you could do tests before entering a venue might help,
       but not sure thats possible currently.
       Watching the Bundesliga with empty stadiums felt a bit like
       watching a kickaround at GOALs. Frankly no sport should even
       consider returning until the new year. Scrap all cup
       competitions, and a compact season between Jan-May could be
       possible, but even then thats wishful thinking. Putting profits
       before lives is fairly poor, plus lets face it who wants to go
       to a half empty stadium, 2 meters apart from everyone wearing
       face masks?
       #Post#: 43228--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: Camquin
       Date: May 19, 2020, 5:02 pm
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       I suspect the Premiership will go back but not the crowds - so
       we get to watch on TV.
       Hopefully all games will be on TV,
       That gives clubs TV and sponsors money, thus letting them
       survive.
       But the lack of gate money will cost  say £3m.
       Which means much reduced player wages - or deeper pockets from
       the sugar dadies.
       However, Championship and National League Clubs will have no
       income - and many may fail.
       #Post#: 43229--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: D-Quins
       Date: May 19, 2020, 5:10 pm
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       I suspect the championship and National League will not run next
       year.  There is no money to pay for the precautions etc.  Where
       this leaves the Salary cheats for promotion next year no idea.
       Would be sad if there was not promotion next year!
       #Post#: 43231--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: May 20, 2020, 1:27 am
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       Football/rugby lower league teams would fall apart behind closed
       doors, probably in football terms league 1 and below. If I owned
       a team and was forced to finance an entire new squad and had 0
       for gate money the decision would be fairly straight forward for
       closing down.  teams would also get some stream revenue, but it
       would pale in significance to required to run a club
       #Post#: 43235--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: Domestos
       Date: May 20, 2020, 2:22 am
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       I understand - and I may well be wrong - I often am.
       Harlequins like most professional sports clubs, most companies
       for that matter, use the British limited liability company
       system to their advantage.
       And why wouldn't they?
       If ABC Rugby Ltd fails, the directors can/will say, 'Oh dear,
       that's a shame, lucky that the land was owned by ABC(Land) Ltd
       isn't it?'
       I suggest to you that this - or something like this - is what
       will happen if any/some/most/all of the professional rugby clubs
       in this country fold.
       #Post#: 43236--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Looking Ominous
   DIR By: stoquin
       Date: May 20, 2020, 2:44 am
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       Back to attending games, my belief, and hopefully the scientists
       will allow a return to smaller crowds. This of course depends on
       the number of cases dropping to hundreds across the country with
       therefore the odds of a virus carrier attending very slight, so
       negligible risk. The safety net for this is the track and trace
       so that if someone does become ill they will be able to locate
       and advice those in the near vicinity that they should self
       isolate in case they have been infected.
       This still leaves the management of bars toilets and mass exit
       to be addressed.
       It also requires the ticket holders to have the confidence in
       the system and the mass fear that is currently present turned
       around.
       We have to believe that this scenario will work or waiting for a
       vaccine will kill the sport as we know it. At present there have
       been about 400 cases in Richmond borough not very many but if we
       can get below that figure for the nation then the above should
       work and we should be able to feel safe enough to go to a game.
       Just a thought
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