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Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: DOK
Date: April 28, 2020, 3:21 am
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THE scrum has collapsed.
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Re: Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: April 28, 2020, 3:50 am
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I LOVE scrummaging and never want to see it discontinued, EVER!!
That and a well worked rolling maul are things of beauty without
doubt. The LawMakers have to give referees the tools to improve
scrummaging time. Maybe a time limit to set.? Maybe a specialist
Scrum Official? Maybe both AR's join the Ref on the pitch? I
think we all know that as soon as you start handing out Yellow
Cards then the Scrum will begin to work perfectly.
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Re: Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: April 28, 2020, 5:09 am
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> I think we all know that as soon as you start handing out
Yellow Cards then the Scrum will begin to work perfectly.
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Isn't that just confirmation that it's broken?
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Re: Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: Boonie
Date: April 28, 2020, 9:30 am
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It's confirmation that it is not refereed correctly at the
moment.
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Re: Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: April 28, 2020, 10:52 am
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--- Quote from: Boonie link ---
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> It's confirmation that it is not refereed correctly at the
moment.
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I'd say blaming the ref is missing the point.
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Re: Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: Saintquin
Date: April 28, 2020, 11:29 am
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--- Quote from: Boonie link ---
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> It's confirmation that it is not refereed correctly at the
moment.
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Why blame the ref's when it's the players that are the problem!
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Re: Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: Boonie
Date: April 29, 2020, 4:48 am
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I'm not blaming the ref, but if as suggested above the players
are yellow carded for - well, let's call it "attempting to gain
an advantage" because that sounds better than cheating - and
then the scrum starts working properly, then that would mitigate
for stronger refereeing of the scrum. Same is true for all
aspects of the game - example would be closing the gap at the
lineout. A couple of early yellows would (perhaps) make players
follow the laws a bit better than they do just now. Of course we
always want to get an edge or an advantage...but usually only
for "our" team! ;)
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Re: Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: April 29, 2020, 7:33 am
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I think it's pretty difficult to place the blame on any one
group or law, to be honest. The scrum has changed massively over
the years, players have changed massively, the sport has changed
massively. Watching the 1997 Lions tests again was very
instructive.
Before: Scrums formed up almost instantly, ball went in quickly,
few repeat scrums and penalties
Now: Scrums take an age to form, they frequently collapse before
the ball is in, then there's loads of resets and penalties
Before: Props were varied in size, and scrummaging technique was
paramount
Now: Props are all gigantic behemoths and most of them have poor
technique in comparison to the old days, as they're selected on
size & athletic ability first
Before: Scrums weighed less
Now: They're huuuuuuuuuuuuge and that extra weight means more
pressure on the front rows
Before: Play didn't stop for long periods for basically no
reason
Now: Play stops for ages for every minor thing, and players can
get away with resting all the time before scrums, leading to
bigger players and bigger problems
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Re: Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: DOK
Date: May 1, 2020, 5:29 am
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But the thing would be better if at least the ball was put in as
the fans want, straight down the middle of the tunnel. Claims by
people like Barnes that he doesn't have time to check that could
be fixed by just getting the TMO to check it (what else is he
doing at that precise moment?). In any case, in the season where
the refs did check it for about the first 6 weeks, they all
seemed to manage fine. Then they gave up when the situation was
"clarified" further.
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Re: Analysis: So, how do you fix this mess called the scrum?
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: May 1, 2020, 9:35 am
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Can you explain why that would make it better?
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