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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: never sleep
Date: March 2, 2020, 4:06 am
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--- Quote from: Mayor West link ---
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> When the penalty try was awarded Exeter had given away seven
penalties on the trot, six in the five metre red zone. It
started with the high tackle on Marcus and ended with the eighth
as the penalty try. If that wasn’t the right outcome how many
penalties can you give away in that area and still come out
without loosing points.
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Also, the penalties resulted in 2 yellow cards. Clearly,
carding players wasn't working. In fact, carding more players
would probably have had a negative effect as the scrums would
eventually have gone uncontested.
I watched a Pro 14 game over the weekend. Kings v Connacht.
From around the 63 minute mark, Connacht were camped on Kings
tryline. After many scrum penalties, Sir carded a Kings player.
Connacht persisted with the scrum and on around the 69 minute
mark he went under the sticks. In my opinion, it seems a fair
response in this sort of situation.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Yareet
Date: March 2, 2020, 8:10 am
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> Could've been avoided if he hadn't forgotten to play advantage
when Gabs walked over in the corner a few minutes earlier.
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He didn’t forget to play advantage. He didn’t see the ball. It’s
on the other side of the scrum and is watching the front rows
stand up.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Yareet
Date: March 2, 2020, 8:14 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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> Also, the penalties resulted in 2 yellow cards. Clearly,
carding players wasn't working. In fact, carding more players
would probably have had a negative effect as the scrums would
eventually have gone uncontested.
>
>
> I watched a Pro 14 game over the weekend. Kings v Connacht.
From around the 63 minute mark, Connacht were camped on Kings
tryline. After many scrum penalties, Sir carded a Kings player.
Connacht persisted with the scrum and on around the 69 minute
mark he went under the sticks. In my opinion, it seems a fair
response in this sort of situation.
>
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Uncontested scrums with Chiefs down to 12 players should mean
that Quins Score anyway.
As far as I can see, there is nothing in the laws that allows
for a penalty try except in cases where foul play prevented a
try being scored.
One _could_ argue that Quins would have dominated the last scrum
if Chiefs has scrummaged legally and scored a push over try but
that’s (for me) a big shout. One slip of the prop’s feet (as
Lambert had already done) and the drive is stopped.
In my view, more cards would’ve made the try (and therefore the
penalty try) more likely.
#Post#: 39773--------------------------------------------------
Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Camquin
Date: March 2, 2020, 12:09 pm
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Apparently Mr Ridley tookup the whistle in 2012 after an injury
curtailed his playing career.
He moved to Natinal 2 in 2013/14 National 1 in 2014/15 got his
first Championship match in 2016 and Premiership since 2017/8.
He will hve been assessed and coached throughout.
PT is not for repeated penalties - it is for preventing a
probable try. Repeated penalties result in yellow cards. It is
the players job to use the space created. If the scrum goes
uncontested, it still ties up 8 players.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: poorfour
Date: March 3, 2020, 5:27 am
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Looking carefully at the highlights, the Exeter 17 is already
almost parallel to the goal line by the time the ball goes in
and immediately thereafter releases and retakes his bind. The
Quins pack is properly bound and they all have good body
positions and give a strong impression that they would be going
forward if Exeter weren't folding in and forcing the whole thing
sideways.
Arguably, Quins are just painting a better picture for the ref,
but given the loosehead is that far out of shape from the put in
and the scrum has been shoved backwards the last time it was
straight and stayed up, the decision looks less of a stretch
than people are claiming.
#Post#: 39818--------------------------------------------------
Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Fursty
Date: March 3, 2020, 6:52 am
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At first I thought definitely not a PT, however as pourfour says
if Exeter had scrimmaged properly then we probably would have
scored. If teams are deliberately and persistently offending
they need to be punished.
I think all of this is also slightly irrelevant as I’m pretty
sure DC was about to go over anyway.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: never sleep
Date: March 3, 2020, 7:15 am
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On the replay it looks as though DC would be difficult to stop.
The scrum had wheeled so there was no forwards in defence.
The scrum half was on the wrong side. So, there was basically a
bit of a hole.
If the ref was in agreement with this, then a PT is the correct
decision as the offending team is disadvantaging us by making
the conversion kick more difficult.
A few years ago, I remember Mike Brown was cruising over to
score in front of the South Stand but the ref awarded a PT to
make it a 7 pointer rather than a 5 pointer.
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