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Refereeing
DIR By: claphamquin
Date: February 29, 2020, 6:03 pm
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Another average display from a premiership referee today. How he
deemed that we’d probably have scored a try at the end is beyond
me but it offset another few horrific decisions that went
against us.
Surely with the money now involved in the game, they should be
investing in training referees properly and they should be
spending 3/4 seasons in the lower leagues before reffing a big
game. It’s not an easy job but that’s where experience comes
into play. A 26 year old with limited experience shouldn’t be
out there in the middle. Maybe there’s just a bit shortage of
top class refs but the variance between the best and worst even
within the premiership is worrying.
Karl Dickson is an example of what can positively be done so
there should be positive encouragement for other ex players to
step up to professional referees rather than school kids who
have little idea of how a professional game of rugby is actually
played (apologies if that sounds harsh)
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Fish Quin
Date: February 29, 2020, 6:31 pm
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I can’t argue with the notion that the standards of refereeing
just aren’t good enough at the moment. I worry we have gone too
far down the rabbit hole in terms of letting little things
slide, to the point where every breakdown is a free for all mess
that is pretty much impossible to ref. Then you throw in the
constant law changes and changing which laws to ‘focus’ on, the
higher tempo and greater physicality, the scrutiny of television
cameras etc and it’s an unenviable task for the refs.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 29, 2020, 6:37 pm
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The decision at the end made sense to me. Exe were repeatedly
infringing and had been warned, then had a player carded, and
continued to infringe. I believe a penalty try can be given in
such circumstances.
The usual stuff was missed today, for both teams. For me, the
worst is ruck time, with players going in at the side, going
over the top, going beyond the ruck. It rarely gets refereed
properly.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: AJQuin
Date: March 1, 2020, 1:46 am
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Unfortunately I agree that the penalty try was wrong looking at
the Laws. There’s no allowance for repeated infringement just if
an infringement stops a team from scoring a probable try or
scoring in a more beneficial position ie under the posts.
I agree refs need to work their way up the leagues and imagine
this happens with may some getting fast tracked (Dickson being
an example). Unfortunately I think we are in a position of short
supply of decent refs and it does take a certain type of person
to ref a game. How you fix this problem I don’t know but I
suspect for the next few season we will probably just see the
same refs.
In regards to the refs ‘focusing on one area’ I absolutely hate
this. It seems that they focus on one area at the expense of
another area or two. Just apply the laws evenly across the
board, that’s all anyone wants and if you did it then you
wouldn’t need to focus on one area.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Albig
Date: March 1, 2020, 1:50 am
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Have to say thought he referred it really well thought - though
could argue he lost the plot in last 5 mins of game. Saying that
his assistant called the final scrum penalty that lead to try -
might have been one to many for him and could argue (though not
sure I would agree) Care/backs likely to score!
Allowed a flowing game of rugby. Allowed attacking team to
dominate breakdown - not sure any holding on pens at ruck time.
Scrum time was even and listened to assistants.
Overall think neither team could complain about 95% of his game
and that is not normal.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Admin
Date: March 1, 2020, 4:08 am
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--- Quote from: AJQuin link ---
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> Unfortunately I agree that the penalty try was wrong looking
at the Laws. There’s no allowance for repeated infringement just
if an infringement stops a team from scoring a probable try or
scoring in a more beneficial position ie under the posts.
>
--- End Quote ---
But that's the point. These days referees make up their own
minds about what laws to apply, how to apply them and what to
ignore. When did you last see a straight scrum feed for example?
I've seen other refs give a penalty try for repeated
infringements.
I was somewhat annoyed that early on Robshaw got pinged for
coming in at the side and that was the last time the ref
bothered to apply that law to either side.
#Post#: 39682--------------------------------------------------
Re: Refereeing
DIR By: AJQuin
Date: March 1, 2020, 7:30 am
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--- Quote from: Admin link ---
>
> But that's the point. These days referees make up their own
minds about what laws to apply, how to apply them and what to
ignore. When did you last see a straight scrum feed for example?
I've seen other refs give a penalty try for repeated
infringements.
>
> I was somewhat annoyed that early on Robshaw got pinged for
coming in at the side and that was the last time the ref
bothered to apply that law to either side.
>
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Yeah I think everyone just wants a consistent approach from ref
to ref, game to game.
I think Robbo got pinged for jackling as the second man rather
than side entrance. But side entrance has almost been forgotten
across the board this season.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 1, 2020, 2:11 pm
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Players flying into rucks shoulder first, no use of arms,
usually from the side. I have no idea why it's not penalised.
#Post#: 39709--------------------------------------------------
Re: Refereeing
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: March 2, 2020, 3:10 am
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When the penalty try was awarded Exeter had given away seven
penalties on the trot, six in the five metre red zone. It
started with the high tackle on Marcus and ended with the eighth
as the penalty try. If that wasn’t the right outcome how many
penalties can you give away in that area and still come out
without loosing points.
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Re: Refereeing
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: March 2, 2020, 3:15 am
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Could've been avoided if he hadn't forgotten to play advantage
when Gabs walked over in the corner a few minutes earlier.
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