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Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: MadMax
Date: February 22, 2020, 5:58 am
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--- Quote from: Fursty link ---
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> But what if that view is firmly rooted in the 1970s?
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Well some people think the world is flat which was disproved
long before the 1970s but if they want to believe it then that's
up to them.
I'll never agree with them but if they want to make themselves
look stupid in putting forward that opinion then I wouldn't want
to stop them.
Until they start making offensive comments of course and to be
honest I can't see any of those on this thread.
So far!
#Post#: 39131--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 22, 2020, 6:59 am
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Who decides what is offensive? Are people entitled to be
offended on behalf of others, when those others are not?
#Post#: 39132--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: February 22, 2020, 7:01 am
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--- Quote from: SwindonQuin link ---
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> Based on the topic.
>
> I think that use of language that could cause offence to the
LGBTQ+ community is rife in all areas, not just rugby or sport
but in every workplace or social setting.
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> Not that 99.9% of people actually intend to cause offence.
I've witnessed and to be honest said things which could be
considered offensive to LGBTQ+ such as when a colleague has worn
a pink shirt said 'oh suits you sir' and have said to a friend
'your such a bender' when they have done something funny or
stupid. Whilst I have said these things in jest I have no
intention of offending someone who is LGBTQ+ but I can see how
it could cause offence to someone listening.
>
> Maybe it's my imaturtity, lack of understanding or just I'm a
bit insensitive but it is something I personally need to work on
as an individual.
>
> It might sound stereotypical but in my extended family we have
a bi-sexual, a gay and a post op transgender, they are who they
are and their sexual orientation has no impact on me as they are
just human beings. I have only ever judged them on your actions
and personality as I judge everyone I meet.
>
> Some of the comments on here, which seem to have been deleted
and/or shut down have been disgusting, whilst everyone has their
own views and opinions you should only ever post online
something you would say in public and to the person's face.
>
> I strongly belove that some people need to think about what
they say or act as of it was your child/friend/family who were
being targeted would you accept it as freedom of speech, I doubt
it.
>
> Intolerance and hate only leads to anger and division.
>
> I maybe a straight man but I would break bread with anyone who
is a decent human being (in my opinion of course)
>
> Sorry if this comes across a bit preacher esc.
>
> COYQ
>
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I pressed esc but nothing happened?
#Post#: 39137--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: MadMax
Date: February 22, 2020, 8:21 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> Who decides what is offensive? Are people entitled to be
offended on behalf of others, when those others are not?
>
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In terms of the first question on a forum like this it is the
moderator(s). Much more difficult to define elsewhere but I was
only really talking about here so I'll dodge that one.
In terms of the second question I remember the great Terry Wogan
always said there is no shortage of people willing to be
offended on behalf of others which is undoubtedly true. Having
said that I suppose it's a bit like opinions and if people want
to be offended on behalf of others then let them. It doesn't
mean that people have to take any notice of them and personally
I seldom do.
#Post#: 39139--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 22, 2020, 8:53 am
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--- Quote from: MadMax link ---
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> In terms of the first question on a forum like this it is the
moderator(s). Much more difficult to define elsewhere but I was
only really talking about here so I'll dodge that one.
>
> In terms of the second question I remember the great Terry
Wogan always said there is no shortage of people willing to be
offended on behalf of others which is undoubtedly true. Having
said that I suppose it's a bit like opinions and if people want
to be offended on behalf of others then let them. It doesn't
mean that people have to take any notice of them and personally
I seldom do.
>
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I think we're pretty aligned on both points.
I don't go out of my way to offend anyone; but in this day and
age, some people get offended at the slightest comment, innocent
as it may be.
As for the moderators, I think they do a thankless task
extremely well.
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Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: February 23, 2020, 7:48 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> Who decides what is offensive? Are people entitled to be
offended on behalf of others, when those others are not?
>
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In some cases an affected group (usually a marginalised one)
will have made it very clear they find something offensive, and
it's up to the rest of us to respect that.
I'm sure you wouldn't tolerate racist behaviour even if you're
not black, for example.
#Post#: 39243--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: FatQuin
Date: February 23, 2020, 8:20 am
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It’s really not difficult Quinky. Pretty much everyone accepts
that calling people a poof/bender/homo etc. is out of order and
has been for some time. It doesn’t then need other people to
try and make it an attack on their civil liberties. Whether you
know why lots of people find something offensive or not, just
don’t use the terms - and then educate yourself in a way that
doesn’t undermine a minority group.
#Post#: 39259--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 23, 2020, 3:12 pm
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--- Quote from: FatQuin link ---
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> It’s really not difficult Quinky. Pretty much everyone
accepts that calling people a poof/bender/homo etc. is out of
order and has been for some time. It doesn’t then need other
people to try and make it an attack on their civil liberties.
Whether you know why lots of people find something offensive or
not, just don’t use the terms - and then educate yourself in a
way that doesn’t undermine a minority group.
>
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Sounds simple enough.
Do you know the name of the band that were on the Jonathan Ross
show? Now, what did they call themselves...
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Poofs_and_a_Piano
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Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 23, 2020, 4:18 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> In some cases an affected group (usually a marginalised one)
will have made it very clear they find something offensive, and
it's up to the rest of us to respect that.
>
> I'm sure you wouldn't tolerate racist behaviour even if you're
not black, for example.
>
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In the instance I quoted from my own experience, an individual
complained that the nickname of a gay colleague was offensive as
it pertained to him being gay. Unfortunately that gay colleague
liked the nickname and asked to be called by it. Quandary?
Had it been the case that people had found out he was gay and
gave him an offensive nickname, that would be wrong. But if the
tables are turned? He tells people "this is my nickname, go
ahead and use it".
It's so easy to simplify matters in theory, and in practice they
usually are easy.
Another example: a few years back I recall a fan of one of our
opponents coming on the old CAW and complaining that there was
racist behaviour at the Stoop. They thought that the chants of
"Uuuuugoooo" were actually monkey chants. We thought it was a
ridiculous idea, but you see how people get their panties in a
bunch?
#Post#: 39267--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homophobic language use common in rugby union, says research
backed by Harlequins.
DIR By: FatQuin
Date: February 24, 2020, 2:05 am
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And lots of people in the LGBT+ community struggled with your
example Quinky. But If you want to find outliers pls do. I
just get the impression you know precisely what the issue is but
want to make it into a theoretical discussion for you own ends.
Bit sad that.
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