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       Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
   DIR By: SwindonQuin
       Date: February 7, 2020, 6:42 am
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       Id have a two tier system wiht the 6 Nations as the top and a
       Secondary Nations below, the bottom of the 6 Nations has a two
       leg play off (home & away) vs the winner of the Secondary
       Nations team to decided who either moves up to the six nations
       or remains in the league.
       At least then the wooden spoon team in the 6 Nations has to
       prove they are good enough to remain in the competition and also
       gives the 'smaller' European rugby teams a chance to compete at
       the 6 Nations Level.
       The teams I would include in the secondary league would be:
       Georgia
       Spain
       Russia
       Portugal
       Netherlands
       Belgium (based on current world rankings, alternative of
       Germany)
       #Post#: 38137--------------------------------------------------
       Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: February 7, 2020, 7:38 am
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       --- Quote from: SwindonQuin link ---
       >
       > Id have a two tier system wiht the 6 Nations as the top and a
       Secondary Nations below, the bottom of the 6 Nations has a two
       leg play off (home & away) vs the winner of the Secondary
       Nations team to decided who either moves up to the six nations
       or remains in the league.
       >
       > At least then the wooden spoon team in the 6 Nations has to
       prove they are good enough to remain in the competition and also
       gives the 'smaller' European rugby teams a chance to compete at
       the 6 Nations Level.
       >
       > The teams I would include in the secondary league would be:
       > Georgia
       > Spain
       > Russia
       > Portugal
       > Netherlands
       > Belgium (based on current world rankings, alternative of
       Germany)
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I guess the issue with this is that you end up with the current
       club rugby situation in England - i.e. whoever goes down will
       probably bounce straight back up.
       If the aim is to give the tier 2 countries regular games v tier
       1 (and thereby improve the standard of tier 2), constant
       flitting between tier 1 and tier 2 isn't going to help.
       IMHO it would be better to give more nations more regular games
       v tier countries. Maybe the Saxons, Wolfhounds, etc should play
       in the shadow 6N.
       I'd also argue that Italy have demonstrably improved relative to
       the other 6N countries. I remember a game in the early 2000s
       where England rested sufficient players that they were able to
       simultaneously bring on 4 subs who had all captained their
       country: Johnson, Dallaglio, Dawson and Leonard. Whilst we may
       still play a somewhat weaker team, I feel we are unlikely to see
       a similar tactic again.
       #Post#: 38138--------------------------------------------------
       Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
   DIR By: Fearless Fred
       Date: February 7, 2020, 7:46 am
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       Any promoted country is going to want to have at least 2 years
       in the top level competition, so that they can get home games
       against all 5 top level countries, particularly for financial
       reason. Similarly the rest of the 2nd level countries will want
       the same vs the relegated country.
       You wouldn't want to do it in the run up to a RWC either, not in
       a Lions year. But the Lions  sort of highlights the issue
       regarding England & players at saracens next season. Would any
       Lions head coach want to pick players who aren't playing at the
       top level of International competition?
       #Post#: 38223--------------------------------------------------
       Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: February 8, 2020, 5:39 am
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       Italy Out - South Africa in!
  HTML https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/10920458/south-africa-join-six-nations/
       #Post#: 38227--------------------------------------------------
       Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
   DIR By: JammyGit
       Date: February 8, 2020, 6:02 am
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       That article suggests Italy In, South Africa Also In.
       #Post#: 38285--------------------------------------------------
       Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
   DIR By: Mayor West
       Date: February 9, 2020, 11:40 am
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       What will New Zealand and Australia do, get Japan and the
       Islands involved.
       #Post#: 38286--------------------------------------------------
       Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: February 9, 2020, 11:43 am
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       I thought Italy played well enough against France. They were
       competitive. It wasn't all one way traffic. They weren't
       embarrassed by how they played.
       #Post#: 38289--------------------------------------------------
       Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: February 9, 2020, 12:02 pm
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       NZ Rugby denies Springboks will move to Six Nations
  HTML https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/sport/rugby/2020-02-09-nz-rugby-denies-springboks-will-move-to-six-nations/
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