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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: Fearless Fred
Date: February 5, 2020, 10:15 am
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As Bolly has said, the "League 2" already exists in the Rugby
Europe Championship. The format has changed slightly over the
years, but now is in effect a second level 6 Nations with a
Promotion/Relegation game with the level below that, and so on
down the levels. It kicked off last weekend & effectively
mirrors the dates of the 6 Nations now.
One of the great rivalries there is the Georgia vs Romania game.
When they play in Tblisi, they will regularly get crowds close
to the 50k capacity of the arena. The boys behind the Eggchasers
podcast actually arranged a few years to go across for that
(World Rugby helped with sorting out some accreditation for
them) and they had a bunch of the listeners to the podcast also
make the trip. They recorded a podcast from there & everyone
seemed to have a really good time.
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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: DOK
Date: February 5, 2020, 10:20 am
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If there's not one team good enough, can they not pick a "best
of" team?
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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: DazzaS
Date: February 5, 2020, 10:27 am
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--- Quote from: Domestos link ---
>
> It ain't broke, so don't fix it.
>
--- End Quote ---
It is seen to be broken, that is the point. For too long, rugby
is seen as an elitist closed shop and with good reason. With
talk of the Premiership looking to pull up the drawbridge and
teams outside the 6 nations not getting a look in, they needs to
be a way to allow other clubs such as Georgia get a shot at
playing aginst tier 1 nations. by allowing rlegation (maybe
through a play off in the summer) that can help it.
The summer hemisphere on the other hand is a mess. 4 countries
spread over continents is not great. There is argument for a few
pacific nations tournaments, the same with Africa, Asia etc,
structure it so it is full regional so the tier 2 and 3 nations
can get a fair crack at the tier 1 more regularly.
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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: PinguthePenQuin
Date: February 5, 2020, 10:33 am
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The plan currently seems to favour Fiji to join the 6Ns for
2023's tournament.
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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: never sleep
Date: February 5, 2020, 10:37 am
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For info, Georgia have played Italy 3 times and lost all three.
Only one of the games is recent and in my opinion, not a massive
amount between them. (Italy scored 3 tries to Georgia's 2)
Here is the detail from the game in 2018 - Italy 28 - 17
Georgia
HTML http://en.espn.co.uk/statsguru/rugby/match/299413.html
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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: TeddingtonQuin
Date: February 5, 2020, 2:28 pm
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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> For info, Georgia have played Italy 3 times and lost all
three. Only one of the games is recent and in my opinion, not a
massive amount between them. (Italy scored 3 tries to Georgia's
2)
> Here is the detail from the game in 2018 - Italy 28 - 17
Georgia
>
HTML http://en.espn.co.uk/statsguru/rugby/match/299413.html
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, Italy are consistently ahead of Georgia in the rankings but
you're ignoring the fact that Georgia have improved hugely while
Italy have not, despite having the advantage of 20 years in the
6N
They really don't deserve it anymore!
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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: Yareet
Date: February 6, 2020, 2:30 am
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--- Quote from: TeddingtonQuin link ---
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> Yes, Italy are consistently ahead of Georgia in the rankings
but you're ignoring the fact that Georgia have improved hugely
while Italy have not, despite having the advantage of 20 years
in the 6N
>
> They really don't deserve it anymore!
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Or looked at another way, Georgia are consistently playing
against teams which are weaker than them whilst Italy are
playing against teams which are better. This also has an impact
on the rankings.
For me, we can only say that Italy haven’t improved relative to
the other tier 1 nations. They don’t play tier 2 nations (even
Georgia) often enough to say that Georgia are catching them.
Italy are bottom of tier 1, Georgia are top of tier 2. What the
gap between tiers 1 and 2 is, we cannot say.
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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: InsertQuinsPunHere
Date: February 6, 2020, 4:13 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
>
> Or looked at another way, Georgia are consistently playing
against teams which are weaker than them whilst Italy are
playing against teams which are better. This also has an impact
on the rankings.
>
> For me, we can only say that Italy haven’t improved relative
to the other tier 1 nations. They don’t play tier 2 nations
(even Georgia) often enough to say that Georgia are catching
them.
>
> Italy are bottom of tier 1, Georgia are top of tier 2. What
the gap between tiers 1 and 2 is, we cannot say.
>
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What I wanted to say, only said better than I could have done.
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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: TeddingtonQuin
Date: February 6, 2020, 2:39 pm
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
>
> Or looked at another way, Georgia are consistently playing
against teams which are weaker than them whilst Italy are
playing against teams which are better. This also has an impact
on the rankings.
>
> For me, we can only say that Italy haven’t improved relative
to the other tier 1 nations. They don’t play tier 2 nations
(even Georgia) often enough to say that Georgia are catching
them.
>
> Italy are bottom of tier 1, Georgia are top of tier 2. What
the gap between tiers 1 and 2 is, we cannot say.
>
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That's how the rankings work, they are weighted to take account
of the strength of the opposition, their ranking and match
location, home or away. Georgia have climbed the rankings, Italy
have not and been overtaken by another improving team, Japan
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Re: O/T - Should there be relegation from the 6 nations?
DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
Date: February 7, 2020, 5:51 am
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Georgia can only beat the teams that are infront of them.
I’d happy if after a few years of taking Italys place and having
the same fate I’d support reverting to 5 nations, but whatever
the consensus is, Italy don’t deserve their spot. They might put
in a spirited game and get a shock result once every 3-4 years
but they’ve not developed and it spits in the faces of nations
like Georgia IMO. A bit like having someone in your office who’s
constantly late, messes everything up... replace or scrap the
position.
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