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-77 points for Saracens
DIR By: Quintron
Date: January 28, 2020, 2:01 pm
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Re: -77 points for Saracens
DIR By: The Absolute Quintet
Date: January 28, 2020, 2:54 pm
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Hung, drawn and now quartered (or was that Sunday). PRLs third
go now, not sure it’s helping to paint a picture of an authority
in total control.
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Re: -77 points for Saracens
DIR By: SAWtf
Date: January 28, 2020, 3:12 pm
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As a Saracens fan this does leave me feeling a little
disillusioned.
I understand that if you break the rules you get punished but,
this last punishment seems a bit over the top.
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Re: -77 points for Saracens
DIR By: Man From LA
Date: January 28, 2020, 3:32 pm
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--- Quote from: SAWtf link ---
>
> As a Saracens fan this does leave me feeling a little
disillusioned.
>
> I understand that if you break the rules you get punished but,
this last punishment seems a bit over the top.
>
--- End Quote ---
As a rugby fan what Saracens have done for multiple years has
left me feeling very disillusioned. Hey ho.
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Re: -77 points for Saracens
DIR By: poorfour
Date: January 28, 2020, 4:01 pm
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--- Quote from: SAWtf link ---
>
> As a Saracens fan this does leave me feeling a little
disillusioned.
>
> I understand that if you break the rules you get punished but,
this last punishment seems a bit over the top.
>
--- End Quote ---
If you read the judgement (or - for a shorter summary - Brian
Moore's twitter summary or article on it), the original 35 point
penalty was lenient. PRL could have deducted 35 points for each
of the last two seasons, but chose to run them "concurrently"
and only deducted 35 points.
However, that was contingent on Saracens being able to prove
that they would be under the cap this season. There was
effectively a further, suspended punishment to be applied if
they couldn't.
Saracens chose not to open their books and allow the SCM to
confirm that they were compliant (we are entitled to ask "why
not?"), and the additional punishment was applied. The intent of
that punishment was to ensure that Saracens were relegated, and
it was deemed that a further 35 point deduction would not be
enough, only 70 would.
That was presumably because of the rapidity with which Saracens
had reduced the initial 35 point deduction to 7. Think of it as
a mark of respect. Most other teams' fates would be sealed by
even a 35 point deduction, but not even 70 is enough for
Sarries. It's the sporting equivalent of slamming a stake
through your heart, beheading you with a silver sword and
burying your corpse at a crossroads just to be sure.
I do feel for you as fans - none of this is your fault, but your
team is being relegated and will be broken up, you've lost your
Chairman and CEO, and the stigma will stick for years.
But by the same token, there have been very public concerns
about how Saracens could afford their squad within the cap for
the last 5 years, and the response of many Saracens fans has
been almost as intransigent as that of Wray himself. Maybe that
was bravado, but if you didn't at least have some private
concerns, then you have been guilty of the same kind of wilful
denial that Trump supporters are sustaining across the pond.
#Post#: 37383--------------------------------------------------
Re: -77 points for Saracens
DIR By: AlbyS
Date: January 28, 2020, 4:39 pm
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I suspect part of the PRL's motivation is to prevent Sarries
getting into the top 6 and qualifying for The Champions Cup next
year - that would be just too embarrassing for them and open
another can of worms.
That said, this whole debacle is pretty embarrassing to start
off with...They should have got a proper grip on it in 2015.
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Re: -77 points for Saracens
DIR By: SAWtf
Date: January 28, 2020, 4:41 pm
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I do understand the intent, of the 3 decisions.
Apply 35 points try force relegation.
Apply automatic relegation as 35 points failed.
Add 70 more points as it may have relegated 2 teams.
The way it has happened as a fan of saracens it seems the rules
are changed every time we try to play.
But as a fair ruling it has affected nearly every team this
season, Bath had a great game when we were fighting and lost to
us, they they get our Premiership goodbye too, that is seriously
bad luck.
As a fan of the team you will always be a bit one eyed, it is
like you find your wife has been having an affair with the
milkman for 3 years, you enjoyed the extra milk cheese and cream
in the fridge for the last few years wondered how you could
afford it, but it was great whilst it lasted.
#Post#: 37385--------------------------------------------------
Re: -77 points for Saracens
DIR By: SAWtf
Date: January 28, 2020, 4:43 pm
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--- Quote from: AlbyS link ---
>
> I suspect part of the PRL's motivation is to prevent Sarries
getting into the top 6 and qualifying for The Champions Cup next
year - that would be just too embarrassing for them and open
another can of worms.
>
> That said, this whole debacle is pretty embarrassing to start
off with...They should have got a proper grip on it in 2015.
>
--- End Quote ---
That was already against the champions cup rules. As well as if
we finished top 4, the clubs below would have taken the slot.
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Re: -77 points for Saracens
DIR By: Rocker
Date: January 28, 2020, 5:19 pm
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"That said, this whole debacle is pretty embarrassing to start
off with...They should have got a proper grip on it in 2015"
There was by all accounts a great desire to get a grip of it
then but Wray threatened legal action against all and sundry and
promised to be a good boy from then on...... We now know how
much you can rely on his word! I wouldn't do business with him
if you can't trust a word that comes out of his mouth!!
#Post#: 37387--------------------------------------------------
Re: -77 points for Saracens
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: January 28, 2020, 5:26 pm
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[quote=SAWtf]The way it has happened as a fan of saracens it
seems the rules are changed every time we try to play.[/quote]
And of course, rules are very important to Saracens.
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