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       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: SAWtf
       Date: January 24, 2020, 10:11 am
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       --- Quote from: Mr_B link ---
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       > nobody hiding what Quins did, I think from memory it was 3
       attempts in 3 games on doing a blood substitution, that hardly
       compares with around 6 years so far as we know cheating in every
       game you put out a team way above the cap. Our DOR lost his job
       and was banned from rugby for 3 years quite rightly, we fessed
       up and asked for other cases to be taken into account, MD was
       moved on, hardly comparable with how Saddies have behaved and
       reacted in all this. go back under your bridge
       >
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       Dear Sir
       I did not mention defend or violate the forum rules with my
       post.
       All I did was to observe that to call the game honest v cheats
       to be not so factually true.
       True saracens have after enquiry failed the salary cap.
       But to reference Harlequins as Honest, I find a little short
       sighted.
       Possibly, previous cheats v current cheats would be more
       appropriate?
       Regards
       Dwayne
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       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: Fearless Fred
       Date: January 24, 2020, 10:13 am
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       Obvious troll is obvious...
       #Post#: 36947--------------------------------------------------
       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: PA18_supercub
       Date: January 24, 2020, 10:15 am
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       --- Quote from: SAWtf link ---
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       > Dear Sir
       >
       >
       > Possibly, previous cheats v current cheats would be more
       appropriate?
       >
       > Regards
       >
       > Dwayne
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You're funny....
       Nope, minor cheats 10 years ago Vs The biggest cheats (who are
       still cheating) in the history of the sport  would be more
       appropriate
       #Post#: 36948--------------------------------------------------
       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: SAWtf
       Date: January 24, 2020, 10:42 am
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       --- Quote from: PA18_supercub link ---
       >
       > You're funny....
       >
       > Nope, minor cheats 10 years ago Vs The biggest cheats (who are
       still cheating) in the history of the sport  would be more
       appropriate
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Dear Sir
       We seem to be moving in the correct direction.
       I just googled it to never have before and found the wiki page
       on the incident.
       To quote
       Bloodgate was a rugby union scandal involving English team
       Harlequins in their Heineken Cup quarter-final against Irish
       side Leinster on 12 April 2009. It was so called because of the
       use of fake blood capsules. In April 2019 the BBC described it
       as "rugby's biggest scandal".[1]
       To call this minor cheating I would say is not really calling it
       as it was.
       In my opinion how Leicester played the offside line when they
       dominated was far more scandalous.
       But my point more is for supporters and club to fully ignore the
       not so distant past and then to assume position of major critic
       odd.
       Maybe it is 10 years of built up resentment all coming out.
       Regards
       Dwayne
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       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: Fearless Fred
       Date: January 24, 2020, 10:50 am
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       Obvious troll still being obvious...
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       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: JammyGit
       Date: January 24, 2020, 10:52 am
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       Criticising Saracens for their massive and sustained cheating
       does not require us to ignore Bloodgate.
       #Post#: 36953--------------------------------------------------
       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: markymark
       Date: January 24, 2020, 11:09 am
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       Don't take the bait folks :-)
       I would/could not jump on another teams board and start a bun
       fight.
       There are many ways to get your point across without getting
       peoples back up.
       Saying that, the Sarries board is an interesting visit. ;-)
       #Post#: 36954--------------------------------------------------
       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: markymark
       Date: January 24, 2020, 11:10 am
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       Sarries Team to face Quins
       15 Matt Gallagher (44)
       14 Alex Lewington (42)
       13 Alex Lozowski (104)
       12 Brad Barritt © (254)
       11 Rotimi Segun (25)
       10 Manu Vunipola (17)
       9 Richard Wigglesworth (243)
       1 Richard Barrington (184)
       2 Jack Singleton (9)
       3 Vincent Koch (76)
       4 Callum Hunter-Hill (9)
       5 Joel Kpoku (24)
       6 Nick Isiekwe (80)
       7 Calum Clark (47)
       8 Jackson Wray (241)
       Replacements
       16 Tom Woolstencroft (28)
       17 Titi Lamositele (88)
       18 Josh Ibuanokpe (7)
       19 Andy Christie (5)
       20 Sean Reffell (14)
       21 Ben Spencer (169)
       22 Dom Morris (13)
       23 Elliott Obatoyinbo (7)
       #Post#: 36958--------------------------------------------------
       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: SAWtf
       Date: January 24, 2020, 11:24 am
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       I leave this at this point, my point has been made.
       One thing I don't get is the lack of discussion on Bath and
       Gloucester abusing the 3 loan player rules to increase squad
       spend, with easy injury cover available.
       Where saracens were caught in reality were playing a different
       team to get to the final than in the final. Salary cap aside,
       they would of been around the top regardless.
       But within or outside the rules two teams who were your direct
       competition, definitely were abusing the spirit of the salary
       cap, which has really affected you, does that not hurt more?
       Possibly with wages accounted into the salary cap, they easily
       got a better squad and to beat you or come closer.  Has this not
       more impact?
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       #Post#: 36959--------------------------------------------------
       Re: HARLEQUINS NAME SIDE FOR LONDON DERBY
   DIR By: MadMax
       Date: January 24, 2020, 11:28 am
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       Dear Dwayne,
       That went well didn't it?
       Enjoy oblivion.
       Love and kisses,
       Max
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