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       #Post#: 36188--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: Bolly-Quin
       Date: January 18, 2020, 7:13 pm
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       I hope that BT, Gallagher and Heineken/ERC TV shows stop using
       the images of Saracens team during advert breaks etc with the
       cups they they won Wray bought. >:( >:( >:(
       #Post#: 36191--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: Domestos
       Date: January 19, 2020, 12:28 am
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       What does this mean for the games that Saracens are scheduled to
       play for the rest of the season? Like our game next Sunday?
       Will they go all out, or just not bother?
       #Post#: 36202--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: Banstead Quin
       Date: January 19, 2020, 2:00 am
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       Common sense finally applied but I get the feeling this will
       rumble on a bit longer yet. Cue comments about Bgate being
       thrown back at us as it was unfair we weren't relegated/banned
       from Europe/burnt at the stake (delete as applicable)
       I have thought all along that they would make the Top 4 this
       year and I think this will galvanise them to still do that so I
       think they'll go all guns blazing to win every game.
       As for the players, if EJ comes out and says it will have no
       impact then they will stay as if they leave, it is showing their
       individual guilt to the supporters that they supposedly love and
       respect. It will then also give them an excuse to stay and spare
       their blushes.
       This is still the tip of the iceberg as regards the impact
       though. I can now see this as the dawning of the removal of the
       salary cap and move towards franchising. Maybe that's why Wray
       has stepped down, to build the blueprint for that...
       #Post#: 36204--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: Vernon74
       Date: January 19, 2020, 2:25 am
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       If they win all their games and make top 4 could they not still
       win the Premiership this year? I haven’t seen that they’ve been
       docked more points? If they are allowed to play on I expect they
       will be full strength next week (certainly not just strolling
       around)
       #Post#: 36227--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: Banstead Quin
       Date: January 19, 2020, 4:45 am
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       I think there are still a few unknowns yet and haven't seen how
       this will work out this season.  They can still win it and
       Europe and have the opportunity to stick 2 fingers up to all of
       us, so why wouldn't they.... (accepting that they haven't
       cheated in Europe so don't deserve a ban from that perspective)
       #Post#: 36228--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: Grubs
       Date: January 19, 2020, 4:56 am
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       --- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
       >
       > I think there are still a few unknowns yet and haven't seen
       how this will work out this season.  They can still win it and
       Europe and have the opportunity to stick 2 fingers up to all of
       us, so why wouldn't they.... (accepting that they haven't
       cheated in Europe so don't deserve a ban from that perspective)
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       But they’re still going to be relegated, no matter where they
       actually finish, points-wise.
       #Post#: 36230--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: Tonbridge Quin
       Date: January 19, 2020, 5:17 am
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       Surely this whole season is now a joke. How do Sarries select a
       team from a squad which in effect is now illegal in that it
       breaks the rules. Why would any team want to play them under
       those circumstances?
       As an aside do you think HMRC will be monitoring whats been
       going on? Surely if wages have been enhanced by other means that
       would be subject to some form of tax? I'm no expert in this and
       of course the tax may have been already paid. I believe
       something similar happened with Rangers up in the Scottish PL.
       #Post#: 36232--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: January 19, 2020, 5:36 am
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       I'm reading in a number of papers that Saracens were given the
       choice of either accepting relegation next season or having
       their titles taken away and a forensic examination of their
       books carried out. They chose the first option!
       #Post#: 36243--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: Bolly-Quin
       Date: January 19, 2020, 6:08 am
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       --- Quote from: DOK link ---
       >
       > I'm reading in a number of papers that Saracens were given the
       choice of either accepting relegation next season or having
       their titles taken away and a forensic examination of their
       books carried out. They chose the first option!
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Both should happen.
       #Post#: 36250--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Saracens are relegated
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: January 19, 2020, 6:36 am
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       My understanding is that although there is no salary cap in the
       championship, a team needs to have complied to the premiership
       salary cap for two years to be promoted.
       Is my understanding correct?
       And if it is, does that mean that sarries can't come straight
       back up after one season as they have probably not complied this
       season?
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