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Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: Rocker
Date: January 17, 2020, 9:14 am
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I imagine this will have an effect on wages across the league
actually.
If Sarries have been paying too much to their players it will
ave increased wages of everyone as it will bump up expectations
and wages in competition with Sarries wages.
Might be interesting come salary negotiation time.
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Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: Grins
Date: January 17, 2020, 9:15 am
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HTML https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2020/01/17/saracens-players-told-club-will-effectively-relegated-gallagher/
Sounds like they are gone according to this article
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Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: N.G.A.
Date: January 17, 2020, 9:17 am
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I think we really need the full judgement to be made public.
When the points deduction and fine were announced I thought it
was mainly because of the co-investment stuff but the more the
saga continues the more it looks like the on the books payments
took them well over the cap too.
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Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: Pickled Pelicon
Date: January 17, 2020, 9:20 am
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If a club's not spending up to the cap, it's probably because
they can't afford to!
Why would any Prem club want to help Sarries out anyway??
They'll all feel cheated, even if they've not said it
publicly.........
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Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: January 17, 2020, 9:39 am
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Let's not pretend that at least the players with dodgy deals did
not know full well.
#Post#: 35970--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: never sleep
Date: January 17, 2020, 9:42 am
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Yes PP, that is the point I was making earlier.
Not all clubs are being bankrolled by super rich sugar daddies.
If they fork out another say £1 million on players, then they
need to be sure that they will get a lot more bums-on-seats to
pay for that.
I am not sure that scooping up a player from a club accused of
cheating will actually see their ticket sales increasing.
In fact, maybe even the opposite.
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Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: MadMax
Date: January 17, 2020, 9:46 am
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--- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
>
> So what would you realistically expect a player to do,
assuming he thinks they're above the cap but has zero evidence?
>
--- End Quote ---
Well that would be a matter for his conscience. He could sign a
contract and take the money knowing there was a risk that
cheating would be revealed which would taint any trophies he won
with them or he could decide he didn't want to risk that and
sign a contract elsewhere for less money and hope to win
trophies fairly.
Who is to say there aren't players or prospective players who
took the latter option?
I still believe there is some integrity in the game despite Mr
Wray's efforts.
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Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: Fearless Fred
Date: January 17, 2020, 9:53 am
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And this is the Grauniad's take on it:
Saracens to accept second 35-point deduction and effective
relegation
Club admit defeat in attempt to comply with salary cap
Players told at emergency meeting to discuss crisis
England’s erstwhile champion club Saracens will be playing in
the Championship next season after repeatedly failing to adhere
to the Premiership’s salary cap. The club’s players were
informed on Friday that the club’s management had decided to
accept a further 35-point deduction after coming under renewed
pressure to demonstrate they are currently operating under the
salary cap.
Premiership Rugby have yet to confirm the situation officially
but the Guardian has learned that Saracens players’ were told of
the unprecedented development at a breakfast time meeting.
Having already been fined £5.6m and deducted 35 points, a
similar punishment would see them drop to -42 points with 14
games to play, effectively down and out in terms of Premiership
survival.
Saracens salary cap fine will mean club losing players or wage
reductions
Read more
The club’s acting chief executive, Ed Griffiths, had initially
indicated he would aim to cut wages and offload players but it
has become increasingly apparent that doing so this season will
not be practicable. Other English clubs cannot accommodate them
without going over the cap themselves while any severance
payments would also count towards the cap. It is understood
Saracens would have needed to trim up to £2 million from their
wage bill to be compliant.
The Premiership and European champions were originally
sanctioned after being found to have broken the league’s
£7million salary cap for the previous three seasons, during
which time they won the league twice. Originally it had been
indicated that Saracens would be given until the end of the
season to demonstrate they were not exceeding the cap for
2019-20 but the mere idea the club could escape relegation this
season while still breaking the salary cap has infuriated
several of their rivals. -
An impending descent to the Championship presents those players
still at the club with a massive dilemma: currently England pick
only players from the Premiership and international rugby is
essential for those wanting to put themselves in the shop window
for selection for the 2021 British and Irish Lions tour. The
RFU, however, insisted on Friday that Eddie Jones can select
players from Championship teams,
It is a shattering comedown for a group of players who have been
the dominant force in English and European club rugby in recent
times. Patience, however, has run out among those who have long
believed – and now know for certain – Saracens were not abiding
by the salary cap regulations.
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The prevailing view among the Premiership’s chairmen is that
their continuing failure to do so now leaves little option but
punish them afresh. “We have been talking to them and working
out what they were going to do for a long time now,” said a club
source. “The reality has become apparent that it is difficult
for them to become compliant for this season. They are
definitely looking down the barrel. Time has to run out for them
eventually.”
Saracens’ retired chairman Nigel Wray has now cut all formal
ties with the club, after his shared investments with star
players including Owen Farrell and Maro Itoje prompted
Premiership Rugby’s original investigation. Griffths confirmed
this week, however, that “the Wray family have always been
committed to Saracens and remain so.” The club’s next game is
this Sunday when they host Racing 92 in the final round of this
season’s Heineken Champions Cup pool stages.
#Post#: 35975--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: nowexnavyquin
Date: January 17, 2020, 10:02 am
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Greenwood on Sky talking about conspiracy theories and how the
club's including Quins in the lower half of the table might be
pushing for salary cap information now to sure up their own
safety. He sadly seems to be another one desperate to defend
Saracens.
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Re: Saracens facing automatic relegation....
DIR By: Jay
Date: January 17, 2020, 10:08 am
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Racing 92 are giving their 2cents worth
HTML https://www.rugbypass.com/news/french-clubs-want-action-taken-at-european-level-against-saracens
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