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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: garthvnk
Date: January 15, 2020, 8:18 am
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Hi! First time poster!
I am a recent quins fans due to the signing of Travis Ismael. I
am a saffa and big bulls supporter (travis' previous team).
I must say I am disappointed to see that he has not got over his
injury issues. This is his second hamstring injury at quins
(during his short spell) and probably his 5th in the last two
seasons.
I believe Travis can definitely do a job if he gets over his
injuries as he really has potential. I am just worried about his
age as he is almost 28 years old and supposed to be in his prime
and no longer just potential.
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: Chipstead Quin
Date: January 15, 2020, 8:46 am
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--- Quote from: garthvnk link ---
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> Hi! First time poster!
>
> I am a recent quins fans due to the signing of Travis Ismael.
I am a saffa and big bulls supporter (travis' previous team).
>
> I must say I am disappointed to see that he has not got over
his injury issues. This is his second hamstring injury at quins
(during his short spell) and probably his 5th in the last two
seasons.
>
> I believe Travis can definitely do a job if he gets over his
injuries as he really has potential. I am just worried about his
age as he is almost 28 years old and supposed to be in his prime
and no longer just potential.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hello , welcome to the Quins rollercoaster.... we were all
hoping Travis would do a good job , hes a big guy with plenty of
speed , so fingers crossed he still can .
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: Harlequinade
Date: January 15, 2020, 3:06 pm
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"This is not only freakish, but reveals the hidden cost of
injury in terms of training pedagogy and numbers," head of rugby
Paul Gustard said.
What does this actually mean? I am asking in all seriousness.
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: KiltedQuin
Date: January 15, 2020, 5:14 pm
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--- Quote from: Harlequinade link ---
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> "This is not only freakish, but reveals the hidden cost of
injury in terms of training pedagogy and numbers," head of rugby
Paul Gustard said.
>
> What does this actually mean? I am asking in all seriousness.
>
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The second part is obvious and I'm sure you know that to train
properly the squad need sufficient numbers to have an effective
squad session, especially for set piece, moves and structured
actions such as lineout maul defence. There has to be enough
players of reasonably similar ability to form two scrummage
eights and similarly in the backs.
The first part , the 'pedagogy' is more jargonny. Pedagogy is
the science of education techniques and delivery in simplistic
terms. By having limited numbers then the range of training
drills and options, I.e. the pedagogy, are also limited. For
example to devise a new and hopefully better way of defending a
line out maul will need the coaching staff to develop a number
of options which they will need to test in a live situation
during training with full sets of forwards, and spares to
minimise injuries and maximise recovery. They will then assess
which Is the best option, then coach the players to use it.
Again the two sets of forwards need to be reasonably similar in
ability and build. No use testing out with the U18S or Academy
against the senior team.
Does that help at all? Sorry if it's a bit confused
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: Nico Wilson
Date: January 15, 2020, 11:01 pm
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--- Quote from: Harlequinade link ---
>
> "This is not only freakish, but reveals the hidden cost of
injury in terms of training pedagogy and numbers," head of rugby
Paul Gustard said.
>
> What does this actually mean? I am asking in all seriousness.
>
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It means they don’t have a critical mass of players for
effective training.
For example, there are 8 forwards in a scrum, so to practise
scrummaging, Gustard needs 16 players, with 8 on each side. If
he doesn’t have this number then he can’t practise scrummage
effectively.
A possible solution (and one I think John Kingston used) is to
practise with a Championship team.
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: January 16, 2020, 2:17 am
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It's not sustainable to be ravaged by injury season after
season. It can't all be down to luck.
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: January 16, 2020, 8:10 am
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--- Quote from: RodneyRegis link ---
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> It's not sustainable to be ravaged by injury season after
season. It can't all be down to luck.
>
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While I feel very sorry for them, and I think they've both been
really goof for us when they have played, so not calling them
bad signings, Crumpton and Campagnaro have both got history /
reputation as being injury prone. quite a few posters said it
was a gamble signing them. I guess you could say that while it's
bad luck each time for the players, maybe a mix of bad luck and
bad planning / gamble by the club.
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: January 17, 2020, 5:18 am
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Salary Cap pressure would mean that you are more prepared to
take a risk on a quality but injury prone player. I imagine the
contracts might reflect this in some way.
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: January 17, 2020, 7:54 am
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I'm beginning to believe we're simply spending too much on the
old stars: Brown, Care, Robshaw, Marler. Individually they often
show their worth (some more than others!) but as a collective
we're not getting value for money and I expect it's a _lot_ of
money.
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Re: TREATMENT TABLE – 14 JANUARY 2020
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: January 17, 2020, 8:04 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> I'm beginning to believe we're simply spending too much on the
old stars: Brown, Care, Robshaw, Marler. Individually they often
show their worth (some more than others!) but as a collective
we're not getting value for money and I expect it's a _lot_ of
money.
>
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Ive said this for a While now. Would not put Marler in that
bracket but others yes.
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