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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply rubbish
DIR By: Albig
Date: January 4, 2020, 8:18 am
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I doubt the contracts are that much when not playing for England
- most contracts now are adjusted as and when you play for
England. So in EPS get more - even mid contract etc.
Sounds weird but English players will get paid more by clubs
even if they play less games, due to money they get from RFU.
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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply s***t
DIR By: Dittonquin
Date: January 4, 2020, 8:24 am
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> Our recruitment has perplexed me. Sale managed to bring in
Lood de Jager - we never seem to be in the market for that sort
of player. We are certainly not getting value out of the cap.
Our injury issues are stuff of legend. We break centres and
hookers like it's going out of fashion on an almost season by
season basis.
>
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Agree with this. You look at Sale's 2nd/back row options when
all fit and they're unbelievable. Tom Curry, Ben Curry, Wilson,
Beaumont, De Jager, Ross, Evans, LJ Du Preez, D Du Preez. Ok the
Saffers won't be as expensive but even so. Then they can still
pay De Klerk, Ashton, Solomona, McGuigan, MacGinty, van der
Merwe, R Du Preez, Yarde etc
Maybe we do have too much of our cap tied up in 6 or 7 big
names?
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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply s***t
DIR By: Dittonquin
Date: January 4, 2020, 8:30 am
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--- Quote from: Albig link ---
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> The big issue was up front and not winning the gain line. I
thought Lawday looked good, but have to disagree about Semi, I
think he adds some magic but also gets us in trouble with his
offloads. Think in 15’s he is a work in progress.
>
> Lewies was very quiet this week as was EE. Symons worked hard
but couldn’t make much headway.
>
> Not sure why everyone is so critical of Santi and Martin.
Joined us late in preseason, have been very much bench players
to Care and Marler and not had huge game time. Can not expect
unless they play regularly, particularly at 9, to be top rate.
In fact not sure exactly what Santi has done wrong!
>
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I probably am being a bit harsh on Botta. Landajo though has had
chances to impress and just doesn't look on it yet. Hopefully
you're right and he will come good.
Agree Semi needs to work out when to offload and when to hold on
to it (not the only Fijian guilty of that, mind!).
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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply rubbish
DIR By: Albig
Date: January 4, 2020, 8:33 am
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Sale have the smallest squad in premiership, but also few
internationals, so they keep players all season. Very clever
requirement- but it has taken Diamond years to get to this.
Our issue is that we have a squad that last season still had
regularly 6 players plus in England squad. We are like Leicester
as a squad make-up.
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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply s***t
DIR By: Putneyquin
Date: January 4, 2020, 8:54 am
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> It seems to me that our current problems are two-fold. One,
the number of injuries, which means that currently half the team
and most of the bench is at best second or more often than not,
third or fourth choice players in their positions. We just won't
win much with that profile, especially when we combine that with
point two, the lack of power in our game. We are just too
lightweight and not big and powerful enough upfront, not beating
up the opposition (in fact, we're regularly getting beaten up).
That's significantly down to poor recruitment, especially in the
locks department. Compare and contrast with Sale. We just
haven't recruited/retained very well, including in the backs
(e.g. retaining Chisholm who is a poor third-choice; Goneva
who's a poor fourth choice; Ismaiel, who to me looks like a last
choice ...). A little bit is obviously about attitude,
inevitably, especially when heads go down towards the end as
they did last night, but I don't think it's actually the
coaching or the game plan that's the problem.
>
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This is spot-on on both counts. And doesn't Gustard have to
shoulder most of the responsibility for the poor recruitment?
His first season delivering 5th and equal on points with 4th was
good with the squad of JK/CoS. But following his massive
clear-out/change of squad this season feels like were back to
the worst of the JK days! Feels like he's bought a rag-tag bunch
of players, and so far no-one has really stood out, and lots
look mediocre. Even our defence, which PG seemed to improve
last season, has gone down the drain.
Goneva is a classic example of this: what the hell are we doing
buying him? He looks old, slow, drops off tackles... just don't
get it.
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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply rubbish
DIR By: Albig
Date: January 4, 2020, 9:48 am
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We signed Goneva after Newcastle went down and Visser’s
retirement. He is probably on a cheap one year deal......Can not
criticise PG for this signing or Tex or Ismaiel as they were all
late deals due to injuries or retirements after the recruitment
stages.
Is clear that both Goneva and Ismaiel are not and were not
signed to be 1st team regularly’s.
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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply rubbish
DIR By: SiB
Date: January 4, 2020, 10:08 am
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Gustards first season securing 5th was mainly with Jks team
wasn’t it?
You only have to look at the attached that aside from 11/12 over
the last decade we really are 6-8th team
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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply rubbish
DIR By: Seequin
Date: January 4, 2020, 11:34 am
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We also have the worst points against in the league despite our
coach being a defence expert.
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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply rubbish
DIR By: Comet
Date: January 4, 2020, 3:50 pm
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I was watching Glaws v Bath earlier. A really enjoyable (derby)
game, played at pace with energy and passion.
Now, we have beaten Glaws twice at home this season but I feel
there is a lot we can take from them for when we play Sarries in
our derby.
Firstly, they were fast! They were always moving onto the ball
with pace and were running excellent support lines.
The decision making was great. They worked as a team and passed
at the right moment more often than not.
They fought their tacklers and refused to be taken down easily.
They always made ground and fought to get an extra few metres.
I think all of these things are critical for us to take on
board, especially receiving the ball at pace. Poor old Symons
yesterday, for example, was given the ball so often when he was
standing still. He had to generate his own momentum against
offside opposition coming to get him. It was very frustrating
and I felt very sorry for him. The plan had clearly fallen
apart.
Anyway, today has been quite bewildering. I feel quite numb! A
win against Sale away would have been incredible and, perhaps,
unexpected. The manner of the defeat really hurts, more than the
defeat itself. Sigh.
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Re: Sale thrashing and now it’s official. We are simply rubbish
DIR By: Putneyquin
Date: January 4, 2020, 4:39 pm
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--- Quote from: SiB link ---
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> Gustards first season securing 5th was mainly with Jks team
wasn’t it?
>
> You only have to look at the attached that aside from 11/12
over the last decade we really are 6-8th team
>
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Indeed. Gustard should be judged on this season, with a team and
a coaching staff he has created ... and so far, its looking like
limited progress vs. the worst of the JK era.
Average league position for Quins is mid-table mediocrity: past
13 season average since promotion back to the premiership is 5.6
and 57 points. Avge under COS: 5th and 61 points, so slightly
better and of course our only league title. Gustard first season
5th and 57 points.
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