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       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: honkytonk
       Date: November 16, 2019, 3:50 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
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       > Fair enough. When you said last minute I assumed you were
       talking about during the warm up.
       >
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       Apologies, should have made it clearer.  But I take that as good
       news, neither can be that bad if they only just never made it.
       #Post#: 31741--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: Quinofthestoneage
       Date: November 16, 2019, 4:02 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
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       > Regardless of how good Clermont are it doesn't make the poor
       player performances any more palatable.
       >
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       Other than Glen Young, where do you think the truly poor player
       performances were? I'm being genuine here  - not sarkey.
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       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: honkytonk
       Date: November 16, 2019, 4:09 pm
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       Apart from his run, Ibitoye was poor.  Thought Lang was quiet.
       I think Robshaw has not been great in his appearances this
       season
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       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: Twickersman
       Date: November 16, 2019, 4:20 pm
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       Clermont's best performance of the season....yes, because they
       played the poorest team so far this season.
       Glen Young is too lightweight, he fell off too many tackles.
       Does not look good but will hopefully improve.
       We deperatly need Marler and Sinklair back.
       Looks like we will be in a relegation battle this year with
       Wasps, Leicester and Sarries....how times have changed.
       I am supportive of Gustatd, however, you have to ask questions
       about some of the signings that have been made. Young was poor
       as were Baldwin Botta etc...
       Surely time to drop / rest Smith too. He seems a shadow of the
       player he was last season.
       Not a good night for us Quins fans....it is looking like a long
       season.
       #Post#: 31745--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: honkytonk
       Date: November 16, 2019, 4:27 pm
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       or we could say you are being generous.  This is the premier
       club rugby tournament in the world (I include super rugby in
       that).  The standard is high, and as such you need to be setting
       your standards high.  Tonight, too many players did not meet
       that standard.  I never expected a win, but some of the points
       you mention paper over cracks.  My comments on Robshaw for
       example, based on the whole season so far, not just tonight, he
       has not looked his old self so far.  Im not writing anyone off,
       but the players and coaches need to take a long hard look at
       themselves and go again.
       #Post#: 31747--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: Comet
       Date: November 16, 2019, 4:38 pm
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       One of the key things that has struck me is how we cope under
       pressure. We seem to spill, knock on or throw it a bit wildly
       without too much pressure put on us. It's a real shame and has
       become a feature of our play while we have been on this poor run
       since March.
       Prior to that, we were on the front foot, scoring lots of tries
       in the first half and making the opposition question themselves.
       I can't speak about the Worcester game because unfortunately I
       was not there. But: Why didn't we kick on and have the BP sorted
       by half time?!!! Against Saints we were destroyed by an
       inability to cope with huge ball carriers  (as in the men were
       huge not the ball). Today the same thing happened. We were also
       caught out by deft kicking by Lopez from the platform of their
       solid pack.
       I think the solution is in building a togetherness in the team
       through playing together. Maybe the same 15 should start next
       week? Perhaps not. I thought our wins in the prem cup had helped
       us to get over last season and look forward. Likewise, the
       narrow defeat to Exeter had a lot of promise. Bath are there for
       the taking if we can retain the ball and move it with
       confidence.
       #Post#: 31748--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: JammyGit
       Date: November 16, 2019, 4:51 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quinofthestoneage link ---
       > Firstly,  you've seen a great individual try courtesy of
       Ibitoye. I'll admit he didn't have a great game, but
       technicality can be coached and pace can't.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Argh!
       Pace can be coached to a certain extent, but a brainless speed
       merchant with no ball skills or defensive ability is a
       liability. Yes, he can make a mockery of any defence at times,
       but usually just makes a mockery of himself. He set up a try -
       brilliant. He also turned the ball over SIX TIMES, and missed
       three tackles. That leads to a lot more points than the try he
       clawed back.
       As for Saili - six carries all match for 15m, 1 defender beaten,
       no offloads. Woopdie-do.  Kerrod in the loose - 4 carries for
       1m. What on earth is supposed to be impressive about that? Makes
       his tackles, but so do most props these days. And he got munched
       in the scrum.
       #Post#: 31750--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: MightyQ2
       Date: November 16, 2019, 4:58 pm
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       --- Quote from: gbrangers24 link ---
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       > Baldwin has been pretty awful in every game he’s played,
       cannot throw a lineout ball. If it was a tactical change, why on
       earth would you start him if you felt he may need to go off so
       soon depending on tactics.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Hoping Crumpton hurry’s back. He is out of contract this season,
       we better re sign him fast before he takes another look at this
       team and goes else where. Can’t be left with Baldwin, I’m really
       not impressed. Elia looks better this season but lineout is
       still not consistent
       #Post#: 31752--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: honkytonk
       Date: November 16, 2019, 5:17 pm
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       Crumpton is our nest hooker, no question.
       #Post#: 31753--------------------------------------------------
       Re: CLERMONT  v QUINS Match Thread
   DIR By: Maggiephilquin
       Date: November 16, 2019, 5:34 pm
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       Sitting in my hotel room in Clermont  reflecting ..... If your
       front row crumbles in the first few scrums, you're really up
       against it.
       But you should be able to manage your own line outs, which we
       didn't. So, always on the back foot . That's why, Robshaw,
       Lawday and Evans were superb, throughout.
       With Sinckler and Marler back, I'm confident we'll be OK at
       scrum time, but for goodness sake sort out the line out.
       Everything stems from there.
       But what a brilliant night, with brilliant fans from both sides.
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