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The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: September 10, 2019, 5:37 am
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HTML https://www.onrugby.it/2019/09/10/italia-rob-howley-sara-il-nuovo-ct-della-nazionale-a-partire-dal-2020/
Or so says Google Translate.
The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italrugby will separate. The
Irish coach, who arrived on the blue bench in June 2016, will in
fact leave his post whose natural expiry would be in June 2020
at the end of the four-year period. What is not yet clear is
whether this will happen directly at the end of the Rugby World
Cup 2019, leaving the place to the Welshman Rob Howley already
for the Six Nations 2020 or if instead the rotation will take
place during the Summer Test Matches. Probably the decision will
also be taken in relation to the performance of the national
team at the next World Cup .
Howley is a technician already accustomed to the international
scene, given that since 2008 he is on the staff of Warren
Gatland and that he has already had experience as head coach (ad
interim) of the Dragons, when Gatland himself was busy preparing
for the Tour with the British & Irish Lions. The new coach will
work with a staff that will be composed of Franco Smith, who
will take the place of Mike Catt for the offensive aspects, and
Giampiero De Carli, confirmed as an assistant in the management
of the work reserved for the forward ones.
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Re: The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: guest257
Date: September 10, 2019, 11:22 am
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There have been mixed reports of his role there and I’m
struggling to see whether it will be remembered as a success or
not. I recall some mentioning he has had some responsibility for
the oversight of the development of the broader game in Italy
and therefore could he be given any credit for the significant
improvement in Italian sides in the Pro 12 and Euro
competitions? However when it comes to the national side’s
performances it’s hard to see lots of progress. Seems to be a
tough project for whoever gets the job...
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Re: The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: Quintron
Date: September 10, 2019, 12:11 pm
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Italy have got worse under O’Shea.
Which is quite an accomplishment when you think about it
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Re: The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: September 10, 2019, 3:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Quintron link ---
>
> Italy have got worse under O’Shea.
>
> Which is quite an accomplishment when you think about it
>
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I don’t know if they’ve got worse or more Scotland in particular
have improved and England, Wales and Ireland have put in some
serious performances in recent years. All in all I think they’re
probably about the same but with a bit more promise than before.
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Re: The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: Quintron
Date: September 11, 2019, 2:52 am
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More promise than before? What a silly comment.
They’ve gone backwards under O’Shea, who certainly won’t ever be
getting the Ireland job.
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Re: The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: marlowish
Date: September 11, 2019, 3:12 am
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--- Quote from: Quintron link ---
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> More promise than before? What a silly comment.
>
> They’ve gone backwards under O’Shea, who certainly won’t ever
be getting the Ireland job.
>
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As did we after 2012
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Re: The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: September 11, 2019, 4:31 am
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--- Quote from: Quintron link ---
>
> More promise than before? What a silly comment.
>
> They’ve gone backwards under O’Shea, who certainly won’t ever
be getting the Ireland job.
>
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Why silly? Such a great method of bringing people round to your
point of view.
I'm not saying he'd get the Ireland job - I personally don't
rate him as a DOR myself after his Arsene Wenger style post 2012
methods.
What I mean is that the Italian set up at least now seems to
have a structure where players are coming through with more
frequency plus Zebre and Treviso are steadily improving. They're
not competing with the top sides in the Pro 14 yet, but they're
not being thrashed every week as they were before - finally.
It's about time. Remains to be seen whether this recovery will
translate to the national side - I have my doubts, they've had
plenty of false dawns before.
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Re: The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: raedarius
Date: September 11, 2019, 4:46 am
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He's a fixer, adept at coming into a team with problems,
identifying key issues and fixing them in the shorter term. Not
convinced he has the solutions to take him beyond the initial
uplift period to sustained success and not convinced that
Ireland need that particular skillset at the moment. A career
as a rugby consultant may await.
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Re: The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: Yareet
Date: September 11, 2019, 9:42 am
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--- Quote from: raedarius link ---
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> He's a fixer, adept at coming into a team with problems,
identifying key issues and fixing them in the shorter term. Not
convinced he has the solutions to take him beyond the initial
uplift period to sustained success and not convinced that
Ireland need that particular skillset at the moment. A career
as a rugby consultant may await.
>
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Ireland's decline over the past 12 months (and that sounds weird
given they've just got to #1 in the world) suggests *something*
needs fixing.
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Re: The streets of Conor O'Shea and Italy will separate
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: September 11, 2019, 9:50 am
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There was a tweet today I read (forgot where it was from tbh)
but it mentioned that COS would be heading either to the RFU to
work on the Development side, or to Sale. Howley heading to
Italy.
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