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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: August 18, 2019, 8:26 am
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I'm sure there are some backward s***holes where that happens
due to not having the same rigorous pay legislation as western
countries. Although I'd be wary of trusting anything this fake
news journalist writes.
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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Quinky
Date: August 18, 2019, 8:30 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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> I do. And it doesn’t happen.
>
> Or more accurately certain demographics (basically white men)
are paid more than others (women, BAME) for doing the same job.
>
>
HTML https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/equal-pay-day-2017-gender-pay-gap-uk-a3688011.html
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> A quick Google search brings up a range of articles for a
subject you claim doesn’t exist all of which point to men being
paid more than women for the same job and level of experience -
ranging from a 1% difference upwards.
>
> Since you own a business, I’m really glad you are enlightened
enough to not fall into this trap. Although I’d question what
you’re doing to ensure a diverse workforce at all levels -
including those who don’t traditionally apply for those roles
but would be a great fit.
>
> Nothing you’ve said so far shows that you even understand that
this is an issue but if somebody is not part of a demographic,
it is very difficult to see the world through the eyes of
somebody who is. As a result, your company’s product/service
won’t necessarily appeal to that demographic and neither will
your business as a workplace.
>
> You’d be missing out on customers and talent.
>
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A fascinating take on my business. But try this for a few facts:
I own the business. I earn less than my co-director, who happens
to be female. And non-English.
I've ensured that my workforce is good at what they do - that,
to me (and most successful business owners, I'd venture) is more
important than ticking boxes or achieving quotas. I do confess
though, that I don't employ people who don't apply for jobs.
Silly me.
My company's products do seem to appeal to a fairly wide
demographic, now that you mention it. Oddly enough, no client of
mine, or of any company owner that I've ever asked, has ever
been questioned about the diversity of their workforce (other
than a couple of meaningless forms when looking to get paid). So
that suggests to me that perhaps such things matter less to
buyers than good products, good service, good price; or perhaps
they really matter only to social justice warriors who don't own
businesses and never have to make decisions that affect
profitability.
Interesting that you pick up on people "doing the same job" with
identical experience, qualifications, ability, productivity,
track record. Oh, you didn't; you only mentioned "doing the same
job". That's a really narrow way to value someone. Have you
really ever met two people who are identical?
Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I'm happy with the customers
and talent that I have, and they're happy too. And we're
growing, so maybe I'll dodge the "pursuit for diversity" bullet.
Especially since, as a white English male, I'm a minority in my
own company.
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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: August 18, 2019, 9:40 am
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> So we’ll conveniently ignore “according to the World Economic
Forum, there is no country in the world where women make as much
as men for doing the same work.” shall we?
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I've looked at the last WEF report - 2018 - there's no way their
figures are "for doing the same work" and neither do they say
that's the case.
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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Domestos
Date: August 18, 2019, 11:46 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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> So we’ll conveniently ignore “according to the World Economic
Forum, there is no country in the world where women make as much
as men for doing the same work.” shall we?
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Do they count The Wimbledon Championships in that?
Where the women get paid the same as the men for a minimum of
two sets, maximum of three sets, while the men do a minimum of
three sets, maximum five sets.
Is that fair?
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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: August 18, 2019, 1:06 pm
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Nobody remembers Carrie Gracie and the BBC pay issues for female
staff a short while ago then. Along the lines of. Man presents
news 400k, woman presents news 120k .
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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: August 18, 2019, 1:50 pm
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Was that the guy who worked twice as many hours as her, or was
that a different one?
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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: August 18, 2019, 3:19 pm
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> Tell me of any rugby club in the UK that rejects anyone who
wants to play rugby. Anyone can play if they want to.
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> The only thing I want to change is people like you looking for
some kind of perceived wrong, based on overly simplified
metrics.
>
> Have you found the rugby club that rejects blacks and Irish
yet? Or have you finally left the 1970s. Be quick, the Viking
may slay me if I don't get a move on.
>
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Deliberately avoiding the very clear point is certainly a
laudable tactic but let’s persist.
Here’s a few more direct questions:
1) do please define “people like you”.
Presumably you mean 50 year old white affluent privately
educated middle class conservative rugby fans. Because that’s
me.
2) what do you mean by “anyone can play if they want to”?
Does that mean that anyone who actually reaches the point of
walking into a rugby club doesn’t get turned away? If so, that’s
not the issue. It’s creating opportunities for people to walk up
to the club in the first place or indeed, the club existing.
3) Have you never heard anyone say that rugby is a sport for
posh boys?
Here are some facts:
There are 55m people in England
Participation in rugby is falling - down about 30k over two
years to 2018 leaving around 240,000 playing regularly.
7% of children are privately educated, 68% of the 2015 England
squad were privately educated.
The RFU and Premiership pour money into things like the
award-winning Project Rugby in order to get under represented
groups into the sport we love.
HTML https://www.premiershiprugby.com/projectrugby
And a final question:
4) Do you think we’d have worse rugby teams if more people took
part?
Here’s the Sink also talking about people needing opportunities:
HTML https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2019/aug/16/kyle-sinckler-england-eddie-jones-rough-diamond-rugby
Or Christian Wade making the same point:
HTML https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/newsbeat-45359123
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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: August 19, 2019, 2:51 am
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--- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
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> Was that the guy who worked twice as many hours as her, or was
that a different one?
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That still doesn’t add up Quinten.
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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: August 19, 2019, 3:55 am
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--- Quote from: Mayor West link ---
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> That still doesn’t add up Quinten.
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It does when you've over-estimated his earnings by more than
100k. And that's forgetting his length of service, experience,
relative popularity, profile etc. No one had even heard of
Carrie Gracie until she started whinging. People seem to forget
that these people have a market value based on who they are,
It's why Vanessa Feltz earns a lot more money than many male
presenters - it has nothing to do with gender, it's down to
talent and popularity.
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Re: Ugo Celebrates Diverse World Cup squad
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: August 19, 2019, 2:18 pm
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--- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
>
> It does when you've over-estimated his earnings by more than
100k. And that's forgetting his length of service, experience,
relative popularity, profile etc. No one had even heard of
Carrie Gracie until she started whinging. People seem to forget
that these people have a market value based on who they are,
It's why Vanessa Feltz earns a lot more money than many male
presenters - it has nothing to do with gender, it's down to
talent and popularity.
>
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Erm, she really doesn’t anymore unless the male presenter is
Rolf Harris. Her time has passed.
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