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Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: June 15, 2019, 10:51 am
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Deliberate, I can assure you.
#Post#: 25308--------------------------------------------------
Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: HarTley Quin
Date: June 16, 2019, 10:12 am
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I guess it depends on how Eddie wants to play. And the fact that
we don't know that in itself says something. If he wants to
base his attack on the Sarries "kick and compete" model then I
suppose there's an argument for taking Spencer and
Wrigglesworth.
Given that Itoje and Lawes can both play 6 I think he'll only
take 5 back row forwards. Wilson, Curry and Vunipola feel like
100% and I think he'll take Underhill. That leaves one place
beteween Robshaw, Shields, Hughes, Simmonds. I think he's more
likely to take a second 8 given the comment about Itoje and
Lawes. I fear he will take Hughes who in my humble opinion is a
poor man's Vunipola. Personally I would take Robshaw and have
Wilson as my backup 8 but I am not convinced this will happen.
#Post#: 25314--------------------------------------------------
Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: June 17, 2019, 5:09 am
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You'd think Kvesic is in the mix for the back row too. It is one
of the most competitive areas, whichever way you look at the
options...
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Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: June 17, 2019, 6:03 am
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This is still annoying me when it really shouldn't.
If Jones took Youngs and then 1 or 2 of Wigglesworth and Spencer
I wouldn't agree but could understand it. It's the possibility
of Heinz going which I just find silly.
Heinz is not, to me at least, a player so good they're worth
bringing in with no previous experience (unless you count one
training squad). He's not like Archer at the cricket world cup,
or like someone like Beauden Barrett qualifying via residency a
few months before the tournament. He's a player who's been
available for a while I believe but who presuably hasn't been
deemed worth giving a proper opportunity before.
#Post#: 25317--------------------------------------------------
Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: June 17, 2019, 6:29 am
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--- Quote from: T-Bone link ---
>
> This is still annoying me when it really shouldn't.
>
> If Jones took Youngs and then 1 or 2 of Wigglesworth and
Spencer I wouldn't agree but could understand it. It's the
possibility of Heinz going which I just find silly.
>
> Heinz is not, to me at least, a player so good they're worth
bringing in with no previous experience (unless you count one
training squad). He's not like Archer at the cricket world cup,
or like someone like Beauden Barrett qualifying via residency a
few months before the tournament. He's a player who's been
available for a while I believe but who presuably hasn't been
deemed worth giving a proper opportunity before.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think Eddie Jones as ultimate squad selector gives you all the
context you need - does he even know what he's going to do next?
More seriously, you could maybe posit that Heinz is a leader
(Glaws captain) and if you assume that rumour is correct that
Hartley and Robshaw are apparently set to miss out he could
bring that steadying influence at the base of the ruck? I quite
like Heinz - he's very solid - but agree that he's unlikely to
set the RWC alight.
I do think that 9 is one position Eddie needs to put resource
and effort into developing post-RWC. When you compare our
options to the likes of SA's (Faf de Klerk, Cobus Reinach to
name just the Prem players) and closer to home, Wales' (who have
had strong depth at 9 for years now) and now France's with
Dupont coming through... we don't really look overly frightening
off the base do we? Hoping that the likes of Harry Randall
continue to develop and we see a new era of English scrum halves
who can do a bit more than just pass and kick.
#Post#: 25318--------------------------------------------------
Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: Chipstead Quin
Date: June 17, 2019, 6:50 am
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Eddie Jones is exploring the depth of the number 9's he has
available
At the time, England head coach Eddie Jones said: “Heinz has a
good feel for the game but you have got to remember we are
bringing him in for this camp only. We never know when we might
need these players.
"Look at the 2011 World Cup in New Zealand where Stephen Donald
was fifth choice for the All Blacks.
“We might get to the final in 2019 and need to find a
fifth-choice scrum-half. Now, potentially, I know who the
fifth-choice number nine is.”
HTML https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/could-gloucester-rugby-captain-willi-2961224
With Youngs at 1 and Heinz at 5 .. who would fill the other
slots ?
England usually take 3 Scrum Halves to the RWC , but Jones only
took 2 with Australia is 2003 and the same with Japan in 2015
#Post#: 25319--------------------------------------------------
Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: June 17, 2019, 7:30 am
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Maybe he plans to play him with Cipriani
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Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: ChequeredJersey
Date: June 17, 2019, 9:17 am
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Based on Jones' injury record at previous training camps, I
wouldn't assume that anyone is not going until the tournament
starts.
If Youngs doesn't recover or gets crocked in the training camp,
Care is gonna end up going.
If one of Shields/Wilson gets injured in training, assuming he's
not already going, Robshaw is gonna end up going.
Brown should go anyway, if Jones isn't utterly insane, at least
as FB back up, but if Daly or Nowell are injured by the time the
team leave the UK then Brown will end up going.
If Mako is confirmed out, I wouldn't be surprised if they beg
Marler to return.
We will not be seeing EJ's first choice world cup squad in Japan
because there will be injuries
#Post#: 25328--------------------------------------------------
Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: ChequeredJersey
Date: June 17, 2019, 11:56 am
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No Brown In the backfield worked... Variably. And as soon as you
lose Daly, the back 3 looks even more exposed.
#Post#: 25329--------------------------------------------------
Re: *Danny Axed from World Cup*
DIR By: poorfour
Date: June 17, 2019, 12:50 pm
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Eh? England are vulnerable with Daly in the backfield to any
team with a decent kickchase, and I am not convinced he will
improve fast enough to remove that risk.
Plus, if he gets injured then the total number of international
caps at fullback that any other players apart from Brown or
Goode have can be counted on one hand.
England had a two year spell with one defeat with Brown in the
backfield, followed by a year when the backfield worked fine but
the breakdown (and altitude conditioning) lost them game after
game.
And all this talk of players like Kvesic being in the mix is
just insanity. The build up to the RWC is not the time to
suddenly decide that you want to try a player you've ignored for
four years - except (as appears to be the case with Heinz) if
you're taking a look at your emergency options.
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