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#Post#: 25158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: InsertQuinsPunHere
Date: June 12, 2019, 11:53 am
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I would prefer it if a different head coach was chosen for each
tour.
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Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: marlowish
Date: June 13, 2019, 3:27 am
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> Totally uninspired choice and quite a decisive character. Yes
undoubtedly a good coach/Manager just a little bored of him now
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He is a winner - seems inspired to me :)
Only diversive if you happen to be the whinging o'Driscoll
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Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: June 13, 2019, 5:29 am
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
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> Why? His record is really quite good - a 2-1 series win in
Australia (won all but one game on tour) and a creditable 1-1
draw in NZ (D 2, L3, W5 in total) - has any coach beaten that
(in recent history)?
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But in Test matches it's W3, L2, D1 so looks great on paper. But
they struggled to beat a very poor Austrailian side and two of
those test matches came down to 1 kick so could easily have been
the other way. Not taking Robshaw in 2013 was a disgrace,
especially when Warburton was injured and couldn't play all the
test matches. Roll forward 4 years and guess what, he was
injured again and dropped for the first test......But he's a
great leader though!!!!!!!!!!!
Roll on another 2 years of waiting to be disappointed about the
lack of English/Quins players.
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Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: June 13, 2019, 5:47 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
> Roll on another 2 years of waiting to be disappointed about
the lack of English/Quins players.
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Ahh - that explains it... ;)
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Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: June 13, 2019, 5:50 am
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
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> Ahh - that explains it... ;)
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You never know................AWJ
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Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: June 14, 2019, 12:46 pm
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> He's by far the best qualified candidate.
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
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> But in Test matches it's W3, L2, D1 so looks great on paper.
But they struggled to beat a very poor Austrailian side and two
of those test matches came down to 1 kick so could easily have
been the other way. Not taking Robshaw in 2013 was a disgrace,
especially when Warburton was injured and couldn't play all the
test matches. Roll forward 4 years and guess what, he was
injured again and dropped for the first test......But he's a
great leader though!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Roll on another 2 years of waiting to be disappointed about
the lack of English/Quins players.
>
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Tbf it was Dan Lydiate travelling ahead of Robshaw that was the
ridiculous bit. He was injured and still got picked (and was
hopeless)
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Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: June 15, 2019, 7:17 am
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
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> Ahh - that explains it... ;)
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Oh no Bolly, even if he'd picked 10 Quins, my feelings would be
the same. Nepotism shouldn't be the main requirement for a Lions
coach.
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Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: Yareet
Date: June 15, 2019, 7:46 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
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> Oh no Bolly, even if he'd picked 10 Quins, my feelings would
be the same. Nepotism shouldn't be the main requirement for a
Lions coach.
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How about knowing the players and what they will bring to the
team? The squad has precious little time together and any
shortcuts are helpful to quickly building a successful team.
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Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: June 15, 2019, 1:15 pm
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A lack of Quins players? We’ve got one England player, Sink.
That’s it.
So Smith and Marchant might get England time but they are
unlikely to be Lions material by then.
So not sure what you’re on about.
Even if Robshaw, Brown and Care weren’t already out of England -
they’ll be nearly retired by then.
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Re: Gatland is Lions Coach
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: June 16, 2019, 1:49 am
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It's the whole system of how the squad is picked that's wrong
for me. 'Knowing what a player can do for the squad' doesn't
mean that they are the best player in that position or that they
deserve to be there. I see the Lions as the pinnacle of a
players career and allowing a coach to pick his buddies just
because he knows them is wrong.
In 1997, Ian McGeechan didn't take all Scots and put together a
squad that had balance but the best players in each position,
along with some excellent wildcards, e.g. John Bentley. Since
then, it's been national coaches taking out of form/injured
players who they 'know' and the results have been mixed and that
includes Sir Clive Woodward, just to show I'm not being
jingoistic.
The real test for a coach would be a system similar to the Ryder
Cup selection where a points system for players guarantees that
the top 2 in each position tour along with extra from the 3rd,
4th or 5th place players and 5 wildcards. There are enough stats
available to enable this, with a weighting depending on the
standard of competition you play in week in, week out. That way
a player earns his place not given it because he plays for the
coach at national level.
Of course if you guys believe it was right that Robshaw didn't
tour in 2013 (and I'm sure other teams have similar players) or
that Marler shouldn't have started a test match in 2017 then i'm
happy for you to shout me down. It is all about opinion, after
all.
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