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Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: May 31, 2019, 2:40 pm
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No, T-Bone, I'm sure you're right, but I don't remember the
details.
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Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: June 2, 2019, 5:07 am
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A rough 65% - 35% split in favour of no ring-fencing after ~ 50
votes. Fairly definitive, I'd say...
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Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: marlowish
Date: June 3, 2019, 3:17 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
>
> For me I will always make the effort to go whether its a dead
rubber or not. There are other things in sport than winning pots
and relegation, such as watching younger players develop and
seeing some great players in action. This is Quins and we can
beat anybody on our day.
>
> COYQ!!
>
--- End Quote ---
I have been a ST at Quins for many years so I am hardly one who
is only interest by watching a team that wins everything :)
I just have no interest in watching a game where most of the
time at least 1 team has nothing to play for.
We can beat anyone on our day I agree with you but I would take
no joy out of beating a team that has nothing to play for.
I guess we all have a different perspective and different
motivators to go to sport.
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Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: June 3, 2019, 4:36 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
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> I bet Banstead Quin is still really wound up, though.
>
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More wound up that I clearly don't know my facts before
posting!!!!
Will do better research next time.
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Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: never sleep
Date: June 3, 2019, 4:56 am
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I am not convinced that ring fencing is the only way to protect
player welfare. I think that there are far more creative
options available that would also (probably) even out the
Premiership.
Firstly, I would be in favour of increasing the Premiership to
14 teams and having a 2 up/2 down approach.
Secondly, I would scrap the Premiership trophy. It is pointless
as there are now only 12 teams in it and there is too much of an
imbalance between clubs playing development squads and clubs
playing their full strength squads. Scrapping this cup will
free up enough weekends to play the extra 4 premiership games
needed.
Thirdly, I would introduce a mandatory number of games that each
player needs to be rested for through the regular season (i.e.
ignoring play-offs). E.g. Each player would have to be rested
for 8 games of the season. This would help with player welfare
and introduce an interesting dynamic to managing the squads. I
would introduce a simple penalty system along the lines of -
each team who has not rested a player would be deducted 4 points
per player/game at the end of the season. I think that
something along these lines would be transparent and easy to
police.
I think that the third item would also help to get the academy
players playing in the first team as, with injuries,
international call-ups and rest days, most clubs will be short
of players in key positions. This would really give younger
players the chance to step up and get regular game time. But,
the key point is that all clubs would be in the same position.
Also, the important thing is that all games are meaningful, no
matter what the % of fringe players in the starting 15 is.
For the play-offs and Euro competitions, teams would be able to
use their full complement of players. The resting of key
players would hopefully mean that English clubs have a slightly
better chance at progressing through to the Euro cups finals.
[edited - spelling]
#Post#: 24877--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Boonie
Date: June 3, 2019, 8:03 am
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Re your third point, whilst bringing academy players into the
first team would certainly help their development, surely that
would increase the risk of injury, particularly in high contact
positions like the front row? An academy prop playing against a
seasoned veteran is surely at higher risk? We've certainly seen
games where due to injury, academy players are brought in to
cover, and can get injured as a result.
#Post#: 24878--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Yareet
Date: June 3, 2019, 10:27 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
>
> I am not convinced that ring fencing is the only way to
protect player welfare. I think that there are far more
creative options available that would also (probably) even out
the Premiership.
>
> Firstly, I would be in favour of increasing the Premiership to
14 teams and having a 2 up/2 down approach.
>
> Secondly, I would scrap the Premiership trophy. It is
pointless as there are now only 12 teams in it and there is too
much of an imbalance between clubs playing development squads
and clubs playing their full strength squads. Scrapping this
cup will free up enough weekends to play the extra 4 premiership
games needed.
>
> Thirdly, I would introduce a mandatory number of games that
each player needs to be rested for through the regular season
(i.e. ignoring play-offs). E.g. Each player would have to be
rested for 8 games of the season. This would help with player
welfare and introduce an interesting dynamic to managing the
squads. I would introduce a simple penalty system along the
lines of - each team who has not rested a player would be
deducted 4 points per player/game at the end of the season. I
think that something along these lines would be transparent and
easy to police.
>
> I think that the third item would also help to get the academy
players playing in the first team as, with injuries,
international call-ups and rest days, most clubs will be short
of players in key positions. This would really give younger
players the chance to step up and get regular game time. But,
the key point is that all clubs would be in the same position.
Also, the important thing is that all games are meaningful, no
matter what the % of fringe players in the starting 15 is.
>
> For the play-offs and Euro competitions, teams would be able
to use their full complement of players. The resting of key
players would hopefully mean that English clubs have a slightly
better chance at progressing through to the Euro cups finals.
>
> [edited - spelling]
>
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Most of the Prem Cup games are held during Test weekends. Even
the final was the day after round 5 of the 6N. Playing Prem
games on those weekends penalises teams with international
players.
So now we’re trying to squeeze 4 more games into and overcrowded
season.
For point 3, there is a required number of minutes for the
England players. Otherwise what constitutes a game? 10 minutes
of the bench is less tiring than a full 80 after all.
#Post#: 24879--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: never sleep
Date: June 3, 2019, 10:50 am
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But, even if a player only plays for 10 minutes off the bench,
the player is still prepared to play for the full match and does
all the training for the full week. Rested players get a chance
to recover their bodies.
Clearly, my suggestion above would need work, but, what I am
suggesting is that there are (in my opinion) alternatives to
safeguarding players besides ring-fencing.
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