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#Post#: 24584--------------------------------------------------
POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: May 27, 2019, 10:09 am
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Recent articles have shown that Irish teams (for example and
most commonly) allow their most talented, centrally contracted
(or similar method) players to be rested with some players
reported to have played about half the amount/time as their
English International rivals. This allows them to rest players
to ensure their health and availability for top European cup and
International games. Should the RFU/English Premiership try to
match this? Not having to worry about relegation means they
should be able to manage resources more effectively.
Would there be an impact on attendance?
What is the effect on the less recognised players - do/would
they get the same protection?
Will it help develop squad talent/depth?
Is ring-fencing the way forward and would it help a) welfare and
b) better performance in cups/tests?
Are there other factors involved?
There are many facets to this - I suspect this poll won't answer
all the points and I may be simplifying and conglomerating
several issues, but what do you think?
#Post#: 24617--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: May 28, 2019, 3:32 am
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2:1 in favour of no (real) change so far...
#Post#: 24622--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: May 28, 2019, 4:44 am
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3:1 in favour of no (real) change now...
#Post#: 24625--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: marlowish
Date: May 28, 2019, 6:16 am
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
>
> Recent articles have shown that Irish teams (for example and
most commonly) allow their most talented, centrally contracted
(or similar method) players to be rested with some players
reported to have played about half the amount/time as their
English International rivals. This allows them to rest players
to ensure their health and availability for top European cup and
International games. Should the RFU/English Premiership try to
match this? Not having to worry about relegation means they
should be able to manage resources more effectively.
>
> Would there be an impact on attendance?
> What is the effect on the less recognised players - do/would
they get the same protection?
> Will it help develop squad talent/depth?
> Is ring-fencing the way forward and would it help a) welfare
and b) better performance in cups/tests?
> Are there other factors involved?
>
> There are many facets to this - I suspect this poll won't
answer all the points and I may be simplifying and
conglomerating several issues, but what do you think?
>
--- End Quote ---
The Celtic league is dull with no relegation so no pressure and
most of the games have at least 1 team with nothing at all to
play for - which I am sure is one reason most matches do not
attract big crowds.
I pay for a ST and travel 2 hours each way to a game to see the
best players we have play for my club.
Personally I do not really care about the 6N or the Autumn
games. I have no wish to pay the prices for a ticket that is
asked at £90 plus usually and sit among people who are very
often there on a corporate jolly, so will never go to a game. I
am far more interested in my own team who I watch week in week
out home and away and have supported for many years.
I am sure that if relegation was scrapped and players were
rested and played less games they would be fresher for
internationals and European games.
As Quins play no more than 6 European games in the best possible
scenario I would not pay for a ST and go to games in which
usually only 1 team at most would have anything to play for. To
me that is just a friendly.
As an example if Quins were say 11th and another club 12th I
would not be inclined to make the effort to go and watch if
there was nothing at stake. If there was a possibility we could
get relegated I would go and shout myself hoarse supporting my
team.
Clearly if players play less games they have less chance of
getting an injury. I feel for any player or indeed anyone who
gets hurt in any circumstances. To me though it is a trade off
- they get paid well to do a job they love doing. They are not
forced to play and if they are risk averse they can do another
job.
Sadly I am sure that ring fencing will come in and at that time
I will not get a ST as to me a league with no promotion and no
pressure or relegation is micky mouse and just worth bothering
with. I will I am sure go to the odd game that appeals but will
not make the effort that I have done for many years.
I am sure others have a different view and that is fine but that
is just how I feel.
#Post#: 24642--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: May 28, 2019, 8:35 am
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--- Quote from: marlowish link ---
> I am sure others have a different view and that is fine but
that is just how I feel.
--- End Quote ---
I am sure that many would agree with your thoughts on this (they
certainly appear to), Marlowish.
#Post#: 24725--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: May 31, 2019, 4:31 am
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For me I will always make the effort to go whether its a dead
rubber or not. There are other things in sport than winning pots
and relegation, such as watching younger players develop and
seeing some great players in action. This is Quins and we can
beat anybody on our day.
COYQ!!
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Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: May 31, 2019, 4:57 am
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The other factor about the Irish sides, and this is what really
winds me up, because they are centrally contracted, they are
paid for by the IRFU so it still gives them the ability to have
one good local (as in Irish) and one good overseas player in
each position without spending more. Thereby maintaining a good
league position whilst resting the key players for Europe and
Internationals.
Moan all we like (and we do!) about Saracens but at least
Farrell, Itoje, Billy V etc play most of the club matches
outside of International and European windows.
If we ring fence, it won't be long before we go Franchise and
then European franchise etc
#Post#: 24731--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: May 31, 2019, 5:27 am
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--- Quote ---
> so it still gives them the ability to have one good local (as
in Irish) and one good overseas player in each position without
spending more. Thereby maintaining a good league position whilst
resting the key players for Europe and Internationals.
>
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Leinster only have about 4 furriners, and I'm pretty sure none
of the other provinces have one in each position either. They
have far fewer overseas players in their set-up than we do in
ours.
#Post#: 24738--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: May 31, 2019, 7:33 am
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--- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
>
> Leinster only have about 4 furriners, and I'm pretty sure none
of the other provinces have one in each position either. They
have far fewer overseas players in their set-up than we do in
ours.
>
--- End Quote ---
I bet Banstead Quin is still really wound up, though.
#Post#: 24748--------------------------------------------------
Re: POLL:- Ring fencing as a way to enable better player welfare
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: May 31, 2019, 11:16 am
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Didn’t ruan pienaar have to leave because they have a rule that
between the three provinces (I think Connacht are excluded as a
development province) that there can only be one non Irish
qualified player in each position? Have I completely made that
up?
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