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Re: Israel Folau expected to sign for quins!!!!!!!!!
DIR By: DOK
Date: May 23, 2019, 5:02 pm
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The club would know what needs to be done to manage/defuse the
situation. If they're managing the "silly boy" stuff, then I'd
be happy to have him. With the proviso that if there is a repeat
issue, then they come down on him like a ton of bricks.
#Post#: 24408--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel Folau expected to sign for quins!!!!!!!!!
DIR By:
Date: May 23, 2019, 7:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> If the position is that he was sacked for breaching his
contract, that's not a reason for every club to reject him. It
would be simple to get him to sign a similar contract and hope
that he abides by it. If the position is not to sign him because
his views are unacceptable, that's a slippery slope to go down.
Where is the line drawn? Not signing a player who votes for the
BNP? Not signing a player who publicly supports Donald Trump?
Not signing a player who publicly advocates Brexit?
>
> I can understand people who might have disapproved of Joe's
tweets to wind up Folau. Didn't bother me, but what if someone
did claim they were offended?
>
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The line to be drawn Quinky is keeping those harmful views to
himself. Stating what he stated. Fair enough he’s allowed his
views and if that’s how it feels then great for him, but to
amplify it on Instagram where he has young kids looking up to
him, where it’s clearly not the kindest thing to say and where
he has already been warned by ARU not to say what he did
publicly as he did so before. The fact he did so exactly a year
after the last time he did something like it and was warned by
the ARU (who in the long and short of their warning said to him
“think what you think but don’t say it publicly”) was taking the
micky out of the ARU and he clearly hadn’t learnt from past
mistakes. Again people can have their own views that’s fine but
if you amplify them in the public eye where it can harm a group
of people or encourage others again for example young fans to
take up the same views is just wrong. With great respect Quinky,
that’s the line. Think what you think, but think before you say,
as saying what you think isn’t always the right thing to do;
especially when it’s spreading hate and causing upset. Capeche.
He also showed no care in that the ARU warned him not to do it
once so he did it twice. When clubs look at him and see that,
that shows the player clearly has a lack of respect to club/RU
wishes, and no club wants someone who ignores their clubs
values/ignores warnings issued. Plus it was made public that he
started to divide the Australian national teams dressing room.
No club wants that either
#Post#: 24447--------------------------------------------------
Re: Israel Folau expected to sign for quins!!!!!!!!!
DIR By: Quinky
Date: May 24, 2019, 9:03 am
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--- Quote from: Everyone’s a Quinner link ---
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> The line to be drawn Quinky is keeping those harmful views to
himself. Stating what he stated. Fair enough he’s allowed
his views and if that’s how it feels then great for him,
but to amplify it on Instagram where he has young kids looking
up to him, where it’s clearly not the kindest thing to say
and where he has already been warned by ARU not to say what he
did publicly as he did so before. The fact he did so exactly a
year after the last time he did something like it and was warned
by the ARU (who in the long and short of their warning said to
him “think what you think but don’t say it
publicly”) was taking the micky out of the ARU and he
clearly hadn’t learnt from past mistakes. Again people can
have their own views that’s fine but if you amplify them in
the public eye where it can harm a group of people or encourage
others again for example young fans to take up the same views is
just wrong. With great respect Quinky, that’s the line.
Think what you think, but think before you say, as saying what
you think isn’t always the right thing to do; especially
when it’s spreading hate and causing upset. Capeche.
>
> He also showed no care in that the ARU warned him not to do it
once so he did it twice. When clubs look at him and see that,
that shows the player clearly has a lack of respect to club/RU
wishes, and no club wants someone who ignores their clubs
values/ignores warnings issued. Plus it was made public that he
started to divide the Australian national teams dressing room.
No club wants that either
>
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Fair points. I wasn't aware of the dressing room stuff, so that
adds to the balance against him.
I can't help seeing parallels with the school protests in
Birmingham at the moment. The protest leader is weighing heavily
on the fact that the proposed lessons are "against the religious
teachings" of some kids' families. Another protest leader has
gone on record as saying that he thinks homosexuality is
wrong/sinful. Some of the banners shown in the media are pretty
blatant too. I wish someone would have the spheres to come down
on them like a ton of bricks.
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Re: Israel Folau expected to sign for quins!!!!!!!!!
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: May 27, 2019, 7:33 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
> Where is the line drawn? Not signing a player who votes for
the BNP? Not signing a player who publicly supports Donald
Trump? Not signing a player who publicly advocates Brexit?
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Surely these are political views, which as you say, should be
respected and should not prohibit employment, but the LBGTQ
question is more ethical than political, no?
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Re: Israel Folau expected to sign for quins!!!!!!!!!
DIR By: Yareet
Date: May 27, 2019, 1:33 pm
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
>
> Surely these are political views, which as you say, should be
respected and should not prohibit employment, but the LBGTQ
question is more ethical than political, no?
>
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For me it’s simpler than that. One chooses how to vote but you
can no more change your sexual orientation than you can the
colour of your skin
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Re: Israel Folau expected to sign for quins!!!!!!!!!
DIR By: Quinky
Date: May 27, 2019, 4:16 pm
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--- Quote from: Bolly-Quin link ---
>
> Surely these are political views, which as you say, should be
respected and should not prohibit employment, but the LBGTQ
question is more ethical than political, no?
>
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You'd think so, but I fear not. Ultimately Folau's views are
what have done for him. He says these are due to his religion,
which is a choice.
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