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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: April 13, 2019, 3:34 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> On a different note, I see that Folau's post picked on a range
of people, none of them doing anything illegal. Why is there no
uproar from or about atheists, drunkards, fornicators and the
others?
>
--- End Quote ---
We just didn't want you to feel too picked on.
#Post#: 21786--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Domestos
Date: April 13, 2019, 3:59 am
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If one is allowed to express an opinion that homosexuality
and/or a religious belief is a wonderful thing, then logically
one should also be allowed to express a contradictory viewpoint?
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: poorfour
Date: April 13, 2019, 4:20 am
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--- Quote from: Domestos link ---
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> If one is allowed to express an opinion that homosexuality
and/or a religious belief is a wonderful thing, then logically
one should also be allowed to express a contradictory viewpoint?
>
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Not in the slightest. Affirming something that people have no
choice over is very different from condemning it. Who people
choose to bump uglies with is none of anyone else's business, as
long as they are consenting adults. Actually, if I want to act
in a way that will send my non-existent soul to a non-existent
Hell, that's also none of anyone else's business. Why is it that
some religious types feel that they should have any kind of
authority over other people's lives?
#Post#: 21791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Chipstead Quin
Date: April 13, 2019, 5:10 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> On a different note, I see that Folau's post picked on a range
of people, none of them doing anything illegal. Why is there no
uproar from or about atheists, drunkards, fornicators and the
others?
>
--- End Quote ---
Nick Heath addressed that point on Twitter
HTML https://twitter.com/nickheathsport/status/1116689212210909184
#Post#: 21795--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: April 13, 2019, 7:45 am
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I’ve been reading this thread with interest at peoples reactions
to the subject. The Islanders are a very religious lot and it
seems important to them. I find religions to be pretty
contradictory in their ideas and if you dig deep enough you will
find some quite shocking stuff about what should be done to
“other” peoples. Religions are also Facist in that they command
you to live your life in a particular way or face the
consequences. In the modern world many of the things within
religions are offensive to certain members of society who can
now be “openly out “ in whichever group they see themselves in.
For the most part society is now far more tolerant, and so it
should be but there is still a long way to go. I’m quite happy
for people to be religious it’s got nothing to do with me until
it singles out a particular group for persecution. That’s why
I’m not religious. It’s a shame because religions do so much
good in the world and then ruin it by hating the different
branches of their own religion and then trying to kill them.
Once again, with Folau’s comments, religion has caused
more trouble. I suggest that he watches Life of Brian and Book
of Mormon.
I hope I haven’t offended anybody
#Post#: 21796--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: April 13, 2019, 8:29 am
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--- Quote from: marlowish link ---
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>
> if he gets a ban he can spend more time with his company
>
> another backward god botherer - this is the guy who is so
bright he did not know there were bonus points in the last world
cup
>
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The irony is strong here.
#Post#: 21797--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: April 13, 2019, 8:32 am
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--- Quote from: Le Tiss link ---
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> Both sides of this debate are intolerant, that was my point.
Where do you stand on intolerance of Christians?
>
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marlowish has made his position very clear.
#Post#: 21798--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: April 13, 2019, 8:36 am
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--- Quote from: EvilMole link ---
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> Christians are perfectly free not to be gay if they so wish.
I'm entirely tolerant of their wish only to be heterosexual.
What they do in their bedrooms is none of my business, as long
it's consensual and doesn't involve children.
>
> They are also entirely free to not take part in Pride marches,
hold hands in the street as same sex couples, or for male and
female Christians to marry. Again, none of my business, and I'm
not going to criticise them for doing it.
>
> I'll even tolerate their bloody church bells waking me up
occasionally on Sunday, as I do our local mosque's call to
prayer. Personally I find both sounds quite pleasing, even if
they do occasionally affect my hangover status.
>
> They also have freedom of speech, like everyone else, to talk
about their views if they wish. What they don't have is a
special kind of freedom from consequences of that speech,
something that no one has.
>
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there's a lot of reworking of the meaning of freedom of speech
going on these days.
#Post#: 21800--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: April 13, 2019, 8:37 am
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--- Quote from: EvilMole link ---
>
> Christians are perfectly free not to be gay if they so wish.
I'm entirely tolerant of their wish only to be heterosexual.
What they do in their bedrooms is none of my business, as long
it's consensual and doesn't involve children.
>
> They are also entirely free to not take part in Pride marches,
hold hands in the street as same sex couples, or for male and
female Christians to marry. Again, none of my business, and I'm
not going to criticise them for doing it.
>
> I'll even tolerate their bloody church bells waking me up
occasionally on Sunday, as I do our local mosque's call to
prayer. Personally I find both sounds quite pleasing, even if
they do occasionally affect my hangover status.
>
> They also have freedom of speech, like everyone else, to talk
about their views if they wish. What they don't have is a
special kind of freedom from consequences of that speech,
something that no one has.
>
--- End Quote ---
the power or right to express one's opinions without censorship,
restraint, or legal penalty
#Post#: 21801--------------------------------------------------
Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Quinky
Date: April 13, 2019, 9:48 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
>
> Not in the slightest. Affirming something that people have no
choice over is very different from condemning it. Who people
choose to bump uglies with is none of anyone else's business, as
long as they are consenting adults. Actually, if I want to act
in a way that will send my non-existent soul to a non-existent
Hell, that's also none of anyone else's business. Why is it that
some religious types feel that they should have any kind of
authority over other people's lives?
>
--- End Quote ---
And then you have a further quandary... Most religion is fair
game for humour or mockery... Whereas with others you risk being
called a "phobe".
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