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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: R le quins bruv
Date: April 12, 2019, 12:48 pm
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To be fair, hell sounds like a fun place to be!
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: DOK
Date: April 12, 2019, 1:37 pm
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I see Joe Marler is at it again!
HTML https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/joe-marler-publicly-taunts-billy-16122445<br
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For some reason tweets don't load on chrome but are OK on
internet explorer or edge.
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: April 12, 2019, 1:38 pm
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--- Quote from: Le Tiss link ---
>
> Being neither homosexual or Christian I find this situation a
bit perplexing. Neither side of this seem to be tolerant of each
others opinion or point of view, yet both will claim to be the
voice of reason and to have right on their side. Can't we all
just accept that some people hold different views and choose to
live their lives differently, it's a bit like Brexit.
>
--- End Quote ---
Being tolerant of intolerance is a bit backwards.
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: April 12, 2019, 2:19 pm
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--- Quote from: Le Tiss link ---
>
> Being neither homosexual or Christian I find this situation a
bit perplexing. Neither side of this seem to be tolerant of each
others opinion or point of view, yet both will claim to be the
voice of reason and to have right on their side. Can't we all
just accept that some people hold different views and choose to
live their lives differently, it's a bit like Brexit.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well no, that’s why we pass laws to prevent discrimination on
the basis of sexuality because we live in a country that
believes where you park your bits makes no difference to
anything.
Like we don’t think it’s an equal point of view to say black
people would be better if they were white.
Being gay isn’t a viewpoint.
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Le Tiss
Date: April 12, 2019, 3:00 pm
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Both sides of this debate are intolerant, that was my point.
Where do you stand on intolerance of Christians?
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Le Tiss
Date: April 12, 2019, 3:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Blucherquin link ---
>
> Well no, that’s why we pass laws to prevent discrimination on
the basis of sexuality because we live in a country that
believes where you park your bits makes no difference to
anything.
>
> Like we don’t think it’s an equal point of view to say black
people would be better if they were white.
>
> Being gay isn’t a viewpoint.
>
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playing devils advocate but I am fairly sure people of faith
don't see their beliefs as a viewpoint, but the literal word of
God. Now that's a big concept and something that is the root of
many if the world's problems in this day and age. I do not feel
the need to persecute people on either side of this
debate....there is the chance they are right after all....I
really hope they aren't though.
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: April 12, 2019, 3:28 pm
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--- Quote from: Le Tiss link ---
>
> Both sides of this debate are intolerant, that was my point.
Where do you stand on intolerance of Christians?
>
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Hold on. Gay people didn’t make the RFU or Rugby Australia adopt
policies that prevent employees treating them unequally.
It’s not the same thing.
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Rocker
Date: April 12, 2019, 3:29 pm
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Yes. You see that is the point as a saved sinner folau can't
help himself. His God he is told says that this, or that, is
evil but you can be saved if you repent, he therefore wishes
others to be saved by repenting.
In his position, especially with the previous warnings was a bit
daft (to put it mildly) to retweet (or whatever it was) what he
did.
I'm afraid that personally I still worry for a society where you
can make up biological facts....
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: Le Tiss
Date: April 12, 2019, 3:41 pm
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--- Quote from: Blucherquin link ---
>
> Hold on. Gay people didn’t make the RFU or Rugby Australia
adopt policies that prevent employees treating them unequally.
>
> It’s not the same thing.
>
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so should we just ban religion? Surpressing one group over
another is not right in my opinion.
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Re: Well Done Saracens regarding Billy Vunipola.
DIR By: poorfour
Date: April 12, 2019, 4:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Le Tiss link ---
>
> Both sides of this debate are intolerant, that was my point.
Where do you stand on intolerance of Christians?
>
--- End Quote ---
But that's the thing. No-one is being intolerant of Christians.
Folau wasn't sacked for holding those views. The ARU tolerated
his beliefs even after it was apparent that he held them. What
he was sacked for was acting in direct violation of one of the
terms and conditions of his employment after he had already been
warned not to do so.
And even if he hadn't, there is a fundamental difference between
holding a belief and inflicting that belief on other people.
Being gay is not a choice that people make. It's a fundamental
part of how they're wired [1]. Being told that they will burn in
hell can cause a lot of harm to people who are just coming to
terms with their sexuality, and if we tolerate that sort of
speech then it also creates an environment where it normalises
persecution of minorities.
Human rights aren't absolute; there's a hierarchy. Your rights
stop when they start causing harm to other people, and it's been
decided - based on evidence - that being allowed to use
discriminatory language against gay people and other minorities
runs right up against that border.
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[1] Though I suspect that many more people are bisexual than
admit it, whether to other people or themselves. And I also
suspect that a lot of beliefs about whether being gay is a
choice come from people who have chosen to suppress one side of
their sexuality, because that's what they've been raised to
believe they must do.
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