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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 22, 2019, 6:01 pm
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> It's not interesting at all.
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Agree 100%
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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 22, 2019, 6:12 pm
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> Well, I'm mildly interested, having not clocked that myself
and having an interest in questions of diversity, wherever they
arise. Nevertheless it is probably not too significant.
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"Diversity" (a principle that undermines factors that really
matter, in favour of those that really don't), should occur
naturally, or not at all.
One only needs to look at the result of quotas on Springbok
rugby to know that they damage sport whilst making some people
feel all warm and fuzzy inside, and others feel like they've
struck a blow for their own personal grievance.
Ultimately it doesn't matter what colour, race, religion or
background a player is from. To quote Ken Bates of Chelsea fame,
the only equality policy that matters is "if you're good enough,
you're in". If that means we end up with a team that's 100%
White, or 100% Black, or 100% native American Indian, it really
doesn't matter.
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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: poorfour
Date: March 22, 2019, 7:01 pm
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> Hmm - no disrespect to Herron, but I feel like we need a more
experienced 10 for Smith and Lang to learn from. Herron is just
more of the same. If anything, he’s less experienced than they
are ...
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> I’m hoping our final signings will be a bit higher profile.
The last few have been a little underwhelming.
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A more experienced fly half for the young ones to learn from,
eh? If only the club had a vastly experienced top class former
international fly half somewhere on its books...
The case for having a more experienced playing fly half is not
about mentoring the others, it’s about having a cooler head who
can control the game because they’ve dealt with pressure
situations before. But presumably Gussy and Nev think the kids
we’ve got are up to the task.
It’s not an exaggeration to say that Smith is already the second
best fly half Quins have had in the pro era, and Smith and Lang
are very possibly the best pairing we’ve had, if only because
the drop off in quality between Nev and his understudies was far
higher.
I would still have expected them to go for a more experienced
option, assuming Catrakilis is off, but I am inclined to trust
them if they think this is the better way to go
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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: March 22, 2019, 7:39 pm
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> Blimey. It’s an acknowledged issue by the ECB, how many of
those are English players who play for England?
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> The point wasn’t even a criticism of bloody cricket - it was
an observation that even when you have a large base of players
from a specific background it is still hard to make sure that
talent ends in diversity at the highest level.
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> Which your numbers bear out.
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> Sheesh.
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Indeed it was raised by the ECB back in 2011 - and they have a a
desire to get more involved, for which ever reason you may wish
to invoke. But as the numbers show, diversity is represented
(which you have failed to recognise) - the amount of British
Asian players (and they are British Asian, as opposed to Asian
imports) reflects the % of Asians in the country. My numbers
show they really do indicate diversity. Asians of British decent
playing in first class cricket reflect the number of Asians in
the country.
Initially, you didn't mention how many players played for
England, just " develop through the leagues". And as Moeen Ali
and Adil Rashid are doing rather well in the England XI at the
moment, Asians would seem to be over-represented, no? (1 out of
6/2 our of 12 = ~ 13%)
Sheesh kebabs are really quite nice.
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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: March 23, 2019, 3:57 am
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You’re missing the point totally.
40% of grassroots cricketers have an Asian background but only
6% of elite cricketers do.
It’s not about making sure that the sport has an exact replica
of the breakdown of the U.K. population is it?
They are trying to address why the number falls so dramatically.
Likewise rugby is working hard to appeal to people who don’t go
to private school or don’t come from an affluent background.
In all cases it’s about making sure that the best talent can
make it to the top.
I thought cricket was an interesting example but as always on
here - it’s not - turns out it’s yet another trigger word. So
we’ll move on.
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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 23, 2019, 4:10 am
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> They are trying to address why the number falls so
dramatically.
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I don't know why there has to be a reason. Maybe people just
make a subconscious choice that they don't want their hobby to
be a career.
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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: Only Joe Quin
Date: March 23, 2019, 4:44 am
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One only needs to look at the result of quotas on Springbok
rugby to know that they damage sport
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Would that be quotas since the start of Springbok rugby? I don’t
think the damage to sport was the main reason for objecting to
them.
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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: March 23, 2019, 5:05 am
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> You’re missing the point totally
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I hadn’t, but whatever.
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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: March 23, 2019, 1:22 pm
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You need to understand Asian culture. Playing for the National
team is just not neccessarily as big a thing as it is for our
indigenous population and you can quote all the stats you like
but ultimately you have to ask whether the average British Asian
has playing for England as high on their radar as some.
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Re: 11th Signing
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 23, 2019, 1:36 pm
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--- Quote from: Only Joe Quin link ---
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> One only needs to look at the result of quotas on Springbok
rugby to know that they damage sport
>
> Would that be quotas since the start of Springbok rugby? I
don’t think the damage to sport was the main reason for
objecting to them.
>
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I'm talking about quotas in recent years, being a big factor in
the downturn in Springbok fortunes. That's at player and
management level.
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