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#Post#: 18413--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: DOK
Date: March 7, 2019, 6:43 am
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As I said, nice to see all these senior players starting to
learn how to make their own way in the world and planning for
their post rugby situation. And it's all the players you might
have thought would have difficulty fitting under a salary cap.
Strange that.
And as I said, suspect the Mail has other ammunition from a 4
month investigation.
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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: BedfordshireBoy
Date: March 7, 2019, 7:03 am
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--- Quote from: DOK link ---
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> England kick Saracens questions into touch in bid to avoid
distractions
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/mar/06/england-saracens-questions-six-nations
>
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But at least we can be assured that it will be looked into after
the 6 Nations ;) ::)
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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 7, 2019, 7:08 am
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--- Quote from: DOK link ---
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> As I said, nice to see all these senior players starting to
learn how to make their own way in the world and planning for
their post rugby situation. And it's all the players you might
have thought would have difficulty fitting under a salary cap.
Strange that.
>
> And as I said, suspect the Mail has other ammunition from a 4
month investigation.
>
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It may be that others also have the same
support/assistance/benefit, but it's less interesting to the
press? Would anyone care if he was in business with a fifth
choice centre?
As for players making their way in the world, I think that's a
great idea and credit for them for doing so. And with the
amounts that they allegedly earn, investing in high value
property is actually a very strong, proven investment model.
Now... I am also sure as you are that there is a lot more
information that hasn't been put out yet. I'm also sure (just
gut feeling) that Sarries/Wray have done something untoward and
against the rules/principles. But reading Walkinshaw's comments
exposes how difficult it is to squash this. Many people know,
many are/were guilty to varying degrees, nobody will talk.
My feeling is that it will all come tumbling down, probably due
to some (non-refereeing) whistleblower. This is likely IMO to be
a former player as a current player may fear being unable to get
another contract. The question is, what about the players
involved? Let's assume, hypothetically, that Itoje and the
Vunipolas are both knowingly involved in something like this.
Should they be banned from playing for England? Or from playing
entirely? For how long? In fact, whilst the clubs have signed up
to the salary cap agreement, what about the players? Is there
some way in which they are effectively a party to the salary cap
rules, as opposed to being a commodity?
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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: March 7, 2019, 7:54 am
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--- Quote from: DOK link ---
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> As I said, nice to see all these senior players starting to
learn how to make their own way in the world and planning for
their post rugby situation. And it's all the players you might
have thought would have difficulty fitting under a salary cap.
Strange that.
>
> And as I said, suspect the Mail has other ammunition from a 4
month investigation.
>
--- End Quote ---
I wish they'd show it then, as all we've seen so far is hardly
controversial.
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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 7, 2019, 10:27 am
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> I wish they'd show it then, as all we've seen so far is hardly
controversial.
>
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That's the thing. It looks bad because it's shown in a certain
way. It looks unsavoury, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
Either the Mail are just blowing it out of proportion by
sensationalising it, or they're keeping their powder dry; or
maybe they have intel, but are afraid to use it as it's
unsubstantiable.
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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: DOK
Date: March 7, 2019, 10:48 am
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My guess, and it is just that, is the Mail are building a case
by drip feeding information and there's SHOCK! HORROR! to come.
Otherwise why didn't they just announce the Itoje thing with the
others? It could be an attempt to create an atmosphere where
"sweeping it under the carpet" is not possible.
As for the England situation, there is a big difference between
what the clubs do and what the RFU do. That's the whole club vs
country issue. The salary cap is something between the clubs,
PRL and the players. I don't see it having anything to do with
England/RFU.
#Post#: 18429--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: March 7, 2019, 10:55 am
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I don't think it looks unsavoury at all. I think the Mail is
making itself look a bit dumb.
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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 7, 2019, 11:21 am
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--- Quote from: DOK link ---
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> My guess, and it is just that, is the Mail are building a case
by drip feeding information and there's SHOCK! HORROR! to come.
Otherwise why didn't they just announce the Itoje thing with the
others? It could be an attempt to create an atmosphere where
"sweeping it under the carpet" is not possible.
>
> As for the England situation, there is a big difference
between what the clubs do and what the RFU do. That's the whole
club vs country issue. The salary cap is something between the
clubs, PRL and the players. I don't see it having anything to do
with England/RFU.
>
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I should clarify, DOK. Think back to when DC had his minor
indiscretions - it was perceived as a public slap on the wrist
to drop him, whilst pointing out that such behaviour is not
conducive to being an England player. That was conduct entirely
unrelated to rugby.
If a player is complicit in effectively cheating (albeit off the
pitch), how would that look if the RFU simply shrugged their
collective shoulders and did nothing? The message would be that
you mustn't be an ar*e in your own time away from rugby, but
it's acceptable to cheat your fellow players and fans alike.
As for the drip feed, I hope you're right. It could also be that
they have scant information, which is why they're releasing it
slowly, perhaps in the hope that it will draw something out of
the woodwork. It's always best to start with something
tantalising, then land a big expose, leaving people thinking
(hoping) there's more.
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Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: Monte
Date: March 7, 2019, 11:23 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> That's the thing. It looks bad because it's shown in a certain
way. It looks unsavoury, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
Either the Mail are just blowing it out of proportion by
sensationalising it, or they're keeping their powder dry; or
maybe they have intel, but are afraid to use it as it's
unsubstantiable.
>
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The Mail unsavoury- wash your mouth out please!
#Post#: 18435--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have Saracens broken salary cap rules?
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: March 7, 2019, 12:11 pm
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Of course the Mail will draw it out, any paper would. People who
are interested will buy the paper each time a new bit of info
comes out. The publicity will last longer and maybe buying some
time for legal issues or deals to be done.
The main question for me is how much money did the players
put into the companies. Did Wray and his associates put the cash
or assets in and then hand over the companies ?
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