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#Post#: 16485--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By: marlowish
Date: February 6, 2019, 6:14 am
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--- Quote from: Fearless Fred link ---
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> I'm with poorfour on how this will probably play out in the
mid-term. We'll see fixed term sabbaticals for players wanting
to experience European rugby (with a view to know whether they
want to move North after their time in the AB squad is over).
> For younger players who they want to get more experience who
may be being held back by having more senior players ahead of
them, I can see the benefit. Imagine you're a younger player
(24/25) who's got an established AB in the same Super Rugby
squad against them. You're only going to get occasional starts
in Super Rugby, and possibly some Mitre10 games (Premiership
Cup). If NZRU think that you're a player who could develop into
a future star, sending you up to us for two seasons to get more
serious game time could be a real benefit to them, the player,
and us.
>
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They could come to us but they could also go to one of many
clubs if they are that good. They may choose to go to Sarries
or Sale who seem to be in the market for foreign players or to
France and earn a bucket load of money
#Post#: 16488--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By: Fearless Fred
Date: February 6, 2019, 7:26 am
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I understand that part of any such move to us would allow the
NZRU more say in the terms, such as a fixed contract with a veto
over an extension thereof if they deem the player was required
back in the NZRU fold in the run up to the next RWC, potential
to have them back if required for short term loan due to
injuries, etc, which they wouldn't be guaranteed otherwise.
They'd no doubt also be able to have an input into his training
off season.
#Post#: 16489--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By:
Date: February 6, 2019, 7:50 am
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--- Quote from: Fearless Fred link ---
>
> I'm with poorfour on how this will probably play out in the
mid-term. We'll see fixed term sabbaticals for players wanting
to experience European rugby (with a view to know whether they
want to move North after their time in the AB squad is over).
> For younger players who they want to get more experience who
may be being held back by having more senior players ahead of
them, I can see the benefit. Imagine you're a younger player
(24/25) who's got an established AB in the same Super Rugby
squad against them. You're only going to get occasional starts
in Super Rugby, and possibly some Mitre10 games (Premiership
Cup). If NZRU think that you're a player who could develop into
a future star, sending you up to us for two seasons to get more
serious game time could be a real benefit to them, the player,
and us.
>
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Complete agree here that this would be the most common use of
the partnership in terms of younger players gaining more game
time here. My thoughts on the Sonny case is more just you never
know, despite more injuries, moved healed and back playing he is
still fresh and has still got it so it could come down to him
thinking to himself “before I retire, where is the one country
or league I wish I had a go at but haven’t”. If the England
Gallagher Premiership comes up and he is looking for just one
season you never know, with our partnership and links with All
Blacks and New Zealand Rugby it could help his decision.
I don’t mean to compare it too much but it’s like in football
where you sometimes see players join a team in a different
league. Yes most times it’s for cash money but in some cases
they do it because it’s a country or league they wish to try out
and play on before retirement. Could be a pay per play deal, one
year contract deal, some sort of we pay some, NZ Rugby pays a
tad kind of deal. You normally will see that they are usually on
the bench covering the range positions they play in and start
the games which are more domestic cup instead of European cup or
league games unless needed.
Think about it. To a lot of young New Zealanders and future All
Blacks, most probably haven’t heard much about Harlequins other
than we are an good team in a top league in England. Having the
odd player who they are familiar with play for us like in a
current case Francis Saili (or if it did ever happen, Sonny
Bills last rugby venture with us) could give us as an English
club more exposure and attraction to future younger NZ rugby
players to come to us to develop, paired with the partnership.
Some see it as a dumb thought which is completely fine if that’s
how you feel, but I like to be optimistic and hopefull. There is
no harm in it. If it happens that’s nice, if it doesn’t happen
ok no worries.
#Post#: 16490--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By: #495
Date: February 6, 2019, 8:43 am
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I'd rather it be used to bring over coaches to help with a bit
of talent spotting/identification and developing our own coaches
to improve our existing players.
Can't see how it helps us on the sabbatical front particularly -
if a typical sabbatical lasts a season or two tops, then we get
a short term gain - however that same player could go sign a
short-term contract for loads more cash in France/Japan, then
return to NZ and still slot straight back in the team.
#Post#: 16527--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: February 7, 2019, 3:45 am
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I have personal experience of a big name player being dropped
into the team for the occasional outing. It was a disaster
because everybody switched off thinking the star was going to
win the game singlehanded.
#Post#: 16529--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 7, 2019, 3:54 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
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> I have personal experience of a big name player being dropped
into the team for the occasional outing. It was a disaster
because everybody switched off thinking the star was going to
win the game singlehanded.
>
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But you didn't live up to expectations, Dangly?
#Post#: 16531--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: February 7, 2019, 3:58 am
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I wish! Never been a Star performer other than drinking for
England.
#Post#: 16533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 7, 2019, 3:59 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
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> I wish! Never been a Star performer other than drinking for
England.
>
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And that's where you're in a glass of your own... ;)
#Post#: 16535--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: February 7, 2019, 4:05 am
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Anyone else think 'Stinky' and 'Dangly' need to get a room?
#Post#: 16537--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sonny Bill Williams
DIR By: InsertQuinsPunHere
Date: February 7, 2019, 4:16 am
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The "dropping in a star player" issue reminds me of the podcast
referenced previously on this board - the one where an ex player
was using data analytics to assess how easily/quickly new
players slotted into existing systems, and the individual and
team impact this change had (largely negative on both levels).
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