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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: GP2110
Date: February 10, 2019, 2:47 pm
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He’s a fantastic player. The last two games have shown how
ridiculous the comments on this England team were just over a
week ago.
Manu and Slade look great in midfield. May is the form winger in
the world right now. Youngs has been very good. Farrell
excellent at fly half. And daly an automatic starter.
The fact we can replace itoje with Lawes and then add Launchbury
to the bench is the reason why we will win the grand slam in my
opinion. Our squad depth is excellent.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: February 11, 2019, 2:30 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
>
> Whatever the difference to your employer I think you'll find
HMRC are very interested, which is what you originally disputed.
>
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I didn't. I said that HMRC doesn't regard things that aren't
your salary as your salary. Of course they tax bonuses and other
non-salary payments. But if you're running a company, it makes a
massive difference to your books and operating cash what counts
as your salary bill and what doesn't.
No idea how they work it for rugby, as I said. What is the
"salary" measured in the cap because obviously HMRC doesn't care
about an internal rugby rule, they just want their cash.
Original point was that if it's anything to do with what is
declared as a "wage" bill it doesn't have to include other ways
of paying employees money. But you'd hope Prem Rugby wasn't as
stupid as to take these things on face value.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: February 11, 2019, 2:32 am
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On a totally unrelated note, Daly was superb going forward
yesterday.
England no longer have a traditional 15 but it's working v well.
Since the number on the shirt doesn't mean a lot the way they're
playing now it really doesn't matter.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: thatchapcarnell
Date: February 13, 2019, 4:47 am
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For an excellent and in-depth look at the salary cap and what is
and is not included then have a listen to the Eggchasers rugby
podcast this week (the domestic mid-week one rather than the 6N
one).
Their conclusion is that it is VERY difficult to breach the cap
and that there are good reasons why players may be earning less
at Saracens than they could elsewhere.
Not saying that's definitely correct but it made me think again
about the issue.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Fursty
Date: February 13, 2019, 5:38 am
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--- Quote from: thatchapcarnell link ---
>
> For an excellent and in-depth look at the salary cap and what
is and is not included then have a listen to the Eggchasers
rugby podcast this week (the domestic mid-week one rather than
the 6N one).
>
> Their conclusion is that it is VERY difficult to breach the
cap and that there are good reasons why players may be earning
less at Saracens than they could elsewhere.
>
> Not saying that's definitely correct but it made me think
again about the issue.
>
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I've just listened and they completely missed the point - of
course it's easy to police the salary cap if everyone declares
all their expenses. However if you don't record the expense then
there's plenty which could be excluded.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: February 13, 2019, 6:41 am
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Isn't that what Spot Auditors are for?
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: thatchapcarnell
Date: February 13, 2019, 6:44 am
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--- Quote from: Fursty link ---
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> I've just listened and they completely missed the point - of
course it's easy to police the salary cap if everyone declares
all their expenses. However if you don't record the expense then
there's plenty which could be excluded.
>
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Are you suggesting that clubs are simply giving money to players
and not declaring it?
That's an accusation that they aren't just being creative with
accounting but are in flagrant breach of the rules.
Unless every club is doing it, I can't work out why there
wouldn't be more fuss made by those that aren't doing so. If
Quins truly thought that Saracens were, off the books, bunging
their players hundreds of thousands of pounds (and then those
players were committing tax fraud by not declaring the income),
they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
Not to mention that players talk - if Itoje, Kruis, George etc
are on England duty and rubbing shoulders with players from
other clubs there's no way that the cheeky £200k they are
getting on the side, illegally, doesn't get leaked out.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Fursty
Date: February 13, 2019, 8:12 am
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--- Quote from: thatchapcarnell link ---
>
> Are you suggesting that clubs are simply giving money to
players and not declaring it?
>
> That's an accusation that they aren't just being creative with
accounting but are in flagrant breach of the rules.
>
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Quite possibly yes - and the players have no idea how things are
being accounted for or which bank account they’re being paid
from.
It’s also not going to be one player getting an extra £200k an
extra £10k per player across the squad basically buys you an
extra lions starter.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 13, 2019, 9:20 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
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> Isn't that what Spot Auditors are for?
>
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That's for when things have become a little rash...
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: February 13, 2019, 12:54 pm
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If there was another company that was nothing to do with an
offending club that employed the players as consultants as well,
this wouldn’t be in the cap would it? A mega rich owner could
create a company that also paid players but not for rugby
related things. It seems to me that there are all sorts of
companies that are consultancies but don’t actually do anything,
they are just for moving money around and avoiding taxes quite
legally but maybe not morally. The other salary would be taxed
and above board but the players would know I would think.
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