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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: February 6, 2019, 9:44 am
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I would imagine a club as successful as Sarries would be able to
attract players and pay lower salaries than clubs who rarely win
trophies.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: February 6, 2019, 9:55 am
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--- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
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> I would imagine a club as successful as Sarries would be able
to attract players and pay lower salaries than clubs who rarely
win trophies.
>
--- End Quote ---
Should have made my point more succinctly - this is basically
what I was getting at.
--- Quote from: returnoftheshrek link ---
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>
> Whilst no one actually knows salaries, anyone who has followed
rugby knows that there are benchmarks for levels of players -
published yearly by Rugby magazines.
>
> Put these benchmarks against their squad (once it is
finalised) and you will see whether they are over this cap.
>
> A group of us did this the year it was all hushed up and
Sarries Leicester and Bath all seemed to be over the cap at the
time.
>
> It left a bitter taste when the Premiership caved in to
Sarries bully boy tactics when they threaten to go to court.
Hence the animosity of most rugby fans to Sarries and their
spending
>
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I get what you're saying but it's not an exact science is it?
Where do the benchmarks come from? Based on what level of inside
knowledge and what kind of sample size?
I'm not arguing that what Sarries did before was not
unacceptable - I was just as angry to hear about the cover up as
the next man. But we're now 4 years on from that point. I'd like
to believe, until proven otherwise, that those clubs that were
previously guilty are now playing by the rules. If they're not
and it's evidently being done to gain an advantage - i.e. not
just a balls-up in the accounts department - then there need to
be consequences. As I would want there to be for Quins if we
ever started playing in the muck. And it looks as though PRL
have introduced points penalties this season - a tiered system
for anything over £350k:
HTML https://twitter.com/kean_thomas/status/1093099862172880897
#Post#: 16497--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: dr_miles
Date: February 6, 2019, 11:25 am
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--- Quote from: Harleys Evil Step Mum link ---
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> Lewington, Strettle, Maitland, Goode, Daly....who have I
missed in their back line??
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I think I heard/read that Strettle is retiring?
#Post#: 16507--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: February 6, 2019, 2:32 pm
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Won’t Saracens have room for Daly’s wages as Maro is coming to
us.
Regarding the cap, I would imagine that the tax lawyers that
create loopholes for the rich will have continued to create
loopholes for the clubs that continue to wish to ignore the
salary cap agreement. Hopefully the cap regulator has said “you
can’t do that” and the club that has breached will be dealt with
by being relegated if this is the second serious offence.
#Post#: 16518--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 6, 2019, 4:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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>
> You're also implying that the players are equally crooked at
least as some of them would have to be involved. I may be naïve
but not many pro players come across as being that bent.
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How so? The players would need to know what every other squad
member was earning, and be aware of all dispensations and
allowances. Even then, the player cannot be seen as complicit.
#Post#: 16523--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Yareet
Date: February 7, 2019, 1:42 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> How so? The players would need to know what every other squad
member was earning, and be aware of all dispensations and
allowances. Even then, the player cannot be seen as complicit.
>
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They don’t need to know what every player’s earning but they can
access the rules of the salary cap as easily as anyone (they’re
here
HTML https://d2cx26qpfwuhvu.cloudfront.net/premier/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/03161651/Salary-Cap-Regulations-2018-19.pdf)<br
/>so if part of their contract involves ways to circumvent these
rules, the player will know.
It has been alleged in the past that players were paid in
foreign countries, etc. We can see that this would be an attempt
to get round the cap so why wouldn’t a player (plus their agent,
lawyer, etc)?
#Post#: 16528--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: February 7, 2019, 3:51 am
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Bit of South African Real Estate anyone?...
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Quinky
Date: February 7, 2019, 3:55 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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> They don’t need to know what every player’s earning
but they can access the rules of the salary cap as easily as
anyone (they’re here
HTML https://d2cx26qpfwuhvu.cloudfront.net/premier/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/03161651/Salary-Cap-Regulations-2018-19.pdf)<br
/>so if part of their contract involves ways to circumvent these
rules, the player will know.
>
> It has been alleged in the past that players were paid in
foreign countries, etc. We can see that this would be an attempt
to get round the cap so why wouldn’t a player (plus their
agent, lawyer, etc)?
>
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Because a player can be paid in any way that the club deems fit,
so long as the club report it. The player cannot be held
responsible if the club doesn't report it.
#Post#: 16534--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: February 7, 2019, 4:00 am
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If the player knows about something that is against the Laws and
doesn't speak up, then that makes him just as culpable.
#Post#: 16536--------------------------------------------------
Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Only Joe Quin
Date: February 7, 2019, 4:14 am
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What Laws is it against? Premiership salary cap regulations are
not laws, they are an agreement between the clubs to which the
player is not a party. Certainly if the arrangements were
illegal eg tax evasion, there would be culpability but otherwise
nothing more than a small degree of moral culpability, in my
opinion.
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