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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: GP2110
Date: February 5, 2019, 6:20 pm
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> The guy is a 13 who can cover wing in an emergency. He's a
poor full back.
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This is utter nonsense. He is a world class player capable of
playing at centre, full back or wing. The fact that he played
on the wing in all three test matches against NZ, when the
British Lions drew the series, is testament to how highly he is
rated.
By all accounts, he is one of the few players that Jones
considers to be truly world class and someone who will always
start when fit, albeit that his position may vary depending on
the strategy.
He is also one of the best long range goal kickers in world
rugby.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Harleys Evil Step Mum
Date: February 6, 2019, 3:05 am
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Lewington, Strettle, Maitland, Goode, Daly....who have I missed
in their back line??
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Rigoletto
Date: February 6, 2019, 3:08 am
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How??? Salary cap......?
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: February 6, 2019, 3:11 am
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--- Quote from: Rigoletto link ---
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> How??? Salary cap......?
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Presumably there will also be players leaving Sarries this
summer... So yeah, that'll be how.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Boonie
Date: February 6, 2019, 3:40 am
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--- Quote from: TomBuckQuin link ---
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> Presumably there will also be players leaving Sarries this
summer... So yeah, that'll be how.
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(just don't look too closely at the books...)
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: February 6, 2019, 4:01 am
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I mean, there's not a tonne of it on this thread (yet) but I
always get a bit confused as to why a lot of people seem to
think they know what Sarries are paying their players. Until
they are found out to be breaching the cap again, can we all
really sit here and pass judgement that they definitely must be?
Maybe they're just good at negotiating deals - maybe the draw of
playing for the most successful English club in recent years
means they don't have to tempt players with money quite so much.
Also it's important to remember that a lot of their
internationals have come through the club and have developed at
Sarries - much like we did with our England contingent. I have
no inside knowledge of how contract negotiations work but to me
it's always seemed logical that whilst those international
players' wages will have increased quite a bit in that time, a
player who has come through the club is not going to cost as
much as if the club hired an equivalent international from
another club. When you bring an international player (or any
player for that matter) in from another club, logic would
dictate that the player/player's agent holds all the cards for
that particular negotiation. I'm sure for contract renewals the
player knows they could get more elsewhere (because any club
looking to tempt them away would need to improve on their
current financial situation) but they're staying for other
reasons - loyalty, happiness where they are etc.
I also struggle to see why Sarries (or any of the clubs) would
want to breach the salary cap. Why would you do that
deliberately?
My feeling is Sarries are just shrewd with their business.
They've brought in a lot of non-international Saffas to bolster
their ranks - who presumably come on a decent rate. They've
developed their England internationals at the club and they've
fostered a winning environment that any pro at the top of their
game would want to be part of. Maybe they have breached the cap
but until the evidence is laid out in front of me I'm not going
to accuse them of doing so - just feels a bit like petty
jealousy.
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: KevT
Date: February 6, 2019, 4:15 am
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Let's just say there have been previous allegations against
clubs rumoured to be breaking the cap that were suddenly the
subject of confidentiality agreements in 2015.
HTML https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/premiership/11982510/Premiership-rugby-salary-cap-cover-up-is-a-scandal-which-cheats-fans.html
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: February 6, 2019, 4:28 am
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Yeah I remember all that. My point remains: why would they
continue to infringe?
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: returnoftheshrek
Date: February 6, 2019, 4:43 am
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--- Quote from: TomBuckQuin link ---
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> Yeah I remember all that. My point remains: why would they
continue to infringe?
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To remain the most sucessful club in the country.
Your previous post neglects to recognise that there is a
standard supply and demand market outside the premiership i.e.
France. Who will pay big money for star players. Sarries have to
ensure they keep the best players. (even the ones who they have
brought their acadamy) so they are competing against the French
as well. Its a short career, players will go for salaries rather
than the quality of the clubs scatter cushions.
Whilst no one actually knows salaries, anyone who has followed
rugby knows that there are benchmarks for levels of players -
published yearly by Rugby magazines.
Put these benchmarks against their squad (once it is finalised)
and you will see whether they are over this cap.
A group of us did this the year it was all hushed up and Sarries
Leicester and Bath all seemed to be over the cap at the time.
It left a bitter taste when the Premiership caved in to Sarries
bully boy tactics when they threaten to go to court. Hence the
animosity of most rugby fans to Sarries and their spending
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Re: Elliot Daly
DIR By: Yareet
Date: February 6, 2019, 9:23 am
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--- Quote from: returnoftheshrek link ---
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>
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> To remain the most sucessful club in the country.
>
> Your previous post neglects to recognise that there is a
standard supply and demand market outside the premiership i.e.
France. Who will pay big money for star players. Sarries have to
ensure they keep the best players. (even the ones who they have
brought their acadamy) so they are competing against the French
as well. Its a short career, players will go for salaries rather
than the quality of the clubs scatter cushions.
>
>
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And your post ignores the draw of England. If a player has any
aspirations of playing for his country then France is off the
table.
You're also implying that the players are equally crooked at
least as some of them would have to be involved. I may be naïve
but not many pro players come across as being that bent.
The rumours are that Daley has taken a pay cut to move to
Sarries and one thing they are very good at is helping with life
after rugby (look how many of the players have side gigs set
up).
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