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       I'm surprised there aren't many non-religious theists in general
        
       By: RomanJoe Date: March 19, 2020, 9:35 am
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       I can understand the antagonism towards organized religion or
       the perceived extravagance of divine revelation both as
       incentives to live as a secular, but the intelligibility of
       being seems to naturally lead to some sort of theism. It seems
       as if culturally we've concluded there is no viable
       middle-ground. Any thoughts?
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       Re: I'm surprised there aren't many non-religious theists in gen
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       By: Ouros Date: March 19, 2020, 12:10 pm
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       What makes you believe that? In my own experience, I know
       so-called "catholic but no church-goer", and they're basically
       non-religious theist with more-or-less christian-inspired
       values.
       I think they were some studies in the United States on "moral
       therapeutic deism", or something like that, of modern teenagers,
       which is again non-religious theism.
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       Re: I'm surprised there aren't many non-religious theists in gen
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       By: RomanJoe Date: March 22, 2020, 10:38 pm
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       Yeah, you might be right. But I still think there's a seeming
       cultural dichotomy between atheism and religious theism.
       Academics usually take one or the other. Lay people, as you
       point out, may hold some quasi-spiritual sort of secularism like
       the prominent new age trends.
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       Re: I'm surprised there aren't many non-religious theists in gen
       eral 
       By: jd3 Date: April 2, 2020, 1:07 am
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       I think there are many "spiritual not religious" people who are
       not classical theists but more like deists or pantheists (can
       never remember what the difference between them is). People want
       to be able to have their own values, ignore scripture and
       religious teachings, and just do their own thing while still
       believing in some larger order that connects everything. But if
       you are actually a theist, which for me means believing in a God
       that actually created and continues to maintain the universe,
       then the obvious next question is going to me "what is the
       nature of God", at which point you will probably start exploring
       the worlds major religions to determine which one makes the most
       sense.
       I will add that the world has become increasingly polarized,
       with many people retreating from moderate positions and moving
       toward the edges, so that could be happening in the case of
       religion as well.
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