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       #Post#: 41625--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: Chainsawrepair Date: June 20, 2014, 12:59 pm
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       [quote author=jmester link=topic=274.msg41606#msg41606
       date=1403261023]
       Yes there are 4 metal bushings molded in the case. Can't figure
       how the engine moves around when the bolts are tight. For the
       bolt pull the engine down into the case and hold it tight.
       [/quote]
       Thats what I am wondering too. The motor can move up and down.
       Bolts can be seen moving out with gap between case and bolt
       head.
       The only thing I can come up with since I cant tear it down now.
       When I first checked the 4 clamshell bolts they were a hair
       loose. Just wonder if that little play over years of use had
       worn the case to allow this movement.
       #Post#: 41626--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: H 2 H Date: June 20, 2014, 1:04 pm
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       [quote author=Cut4fun_ link=topic=274.msg41597#msg41597
       date=1403224621]
       [quote author=H 2 H link=topic=274.msg41595#msg41595
       date=1403224203]
       I really like the MS 250 I had a 025 also but sold it
       Motors are not hard to work
       That is a extra motor I got from a tree service that ran a MS
       250 over with the service truck I've had that motor now three
       years and haven't used it
       That's why I own two MS 250
       I've changed the carbs to WT215 on both and you can feel the
       differences
       [/quote]
       Motor runs cuts great.  Have you ever seen a 025 etc plastic
       crankcase wear out? Something has to be worn to create that much
       play.
       [/quote]
       No; I only had a 025 for about a year and a half and I didn't
       have any problems with that motor and it was a older saw
       I couldn't tell any difference between 025 and 250
       There for a while I was getting alot of straight gassed MS 250
       and I got a few from a tree service that changed over to a
       different Stihl saw for there ground crews. I think it's around
       25 MS 250 I've had and flipped and only one 025
       I flip alot of saws that's how I make my pocket money :)
       #Post#: 41628--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: Chainsawrepair Date: June 20, 2014, 2:18 pm
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       I had to know. Tore it down with owners ok for look see.
       The plastic crankcase has worn to the point the metal inserts
       even when bolts tight  are allowing the motor to slide up and
       down.  I think this is what fish was saying?
       Are you saying I can take some off of the metal inserts and
       still use with worn plastic case?
       #Post#: 41630--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: Chainsawrepair Date: June 20, 2014, 2:49 pm
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       Owner said he got this 025 in 1991 at M&M's and has cut lots of
       firewood. Sharing duties with his later purchased  MS390.
       Carb had H side too.  8)
       #Post#: 41631--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: KilliansRedLeo Date: June 20, 2014, 2:51 pm
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       I believe that is what Fish was telling you, just make sure that
       you do not take so much off the inserts that the bolts will not
       tighten up. You might also want to glue the inserts in with JB.
       #Post#: 41632--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: 660magnum Date: June 20, 2014, 3:02 pm
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       By now the cradle for the clamshell engine has been wallowed out
       and the chance of this fix having any longevity is slim.
       #Post#: 41633--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: Chainsawrepair Date: June 20, 2014, 3:08 pm
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       [quote author=3000 FPS link=topic=274.msg41603#msg41603
       date=1403239876]
       I have never worked on one of these before but is there some
       kind of steel bushing that is in the plastic where the crankcase
       bolts go through?   Are the bushings there and not missing?
       [/quote]
       [quote author=jmester link=topic=274.msg41606#msg41606
       date=1403261023]
       Yes there are 4 metal bushings molded in the case.
       [/quote]
       [quote author=KilliansRedLeo link=topic=274.msg41609#msg41609
       date=1403265789]
       I think Roger may be on to something with the bushings in the
       case. Are the bushings moving around in the case? The bolts
       could be tight against the bushings but the bushings themselves
       may be moving in the plastic case. With age and exposure to UV
       some plastics shrink, like old 192Ts where the press fit oil
       pump will not stay in position in the case. I don't mean get
       tighter around something but shrink away from press fit
       hardware.
       [/quote]
       [quote author=Fish link=topic=274.msg41612#msg41612
       date=1403270513]
       Yes, I have had to tap out those bushings on an older saw, and
       grind a little off of the top.
       [/quote]
       Yes 4 metal bushings in pic left side of crankcase.
       If molded in these are way past staying in.
       Appears worn  both sides and hole  as all 4 metal inserts just
       fell out.
       #Post#: 41636--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: Chainsawrepair Date: June 20, 2014, 3:18 pm
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       [quote author=660magnum link=topic=274.msg41632#msg41632
       date=1403294540]
       By now the cradle for the clamshell engine has been wallowed out
       and the chance of this fix having any longevity is slim.
       [/quote]
       Somebody else will have to find out ( as I have no interest in
       putting it back together now that owner said no go).  He has a
       new MS261.
       Me I would get another crankcase to be safe. But I see how they
       say it can be Rednecked.
       #Post#: 41655--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: Cut4fun Date: June 21, 2014, 10:34 am
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       Owner just left after checking out the saw.  025 parts is
       staying with me as we worked out a trade on the good parts left.
       
       #Post#: 41658--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Stihl 025
       By: Cut4fun Date: June 21, 2014, 11:02 am
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       Was the 025 even being sold in 91? All I can find is 93.  Said
       he was at a demo show when he got it from a dealer in Ohio.
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