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#Post#: 10372--------------------------------------------------
To much Ethanol warning
By: Chainsawrepair Date: July 20, 2012, 1:05 pm
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Marathon and Speedway issue small-engine fuel warning for
gasoline
Advisory from Marathon Petroleum, essentially stating that
consumers should avoid using their gas for anything with a small
engine. At least for awhile.
Apparently, the Findlay, Ohio-based petroleum refiner got too
much ethanol in its gasoline formula, which might cause
implement such as mowers and leaf blowers to run hotter than
they’re designed to handle.
Marathon Petroleum – Small Engine Fuel Advisory
Marathon Petroleum has identified a product quality situation
at one of its terminals resulting in gasoline containing more
than 10 percent ethanol in the counties surrounding the greater
Louisville area, excluding Jefferson county. Adjacent counties
in southern Indiana have also been impacted. Fuel with excess
ethanol has the potential to cause small engines such as
chainsaws, leaf blowers, generators, lawn mowers, snow blowers,
etc., to run faster and hotter than normal, which may result in
safety-related issues.
This fuel should not cause drivability or safety issues with
respect to automobiles.
If you purchased gasoline since March 3 from Marathon Brand or
Speedway locations Marathon Petroleum recommends that you do not
operate small engines containing this fuel.
Marathon Petroleum is continuing to identify other retail
locations in the impacted areas that may have been supplied with
this gasoline and will provide additional information as soon as
it becomes available. If you have a concern regarding your
gasoline, please contact the retailer to determine if it was
supplied by Marathon Petroleum.
#Post#: 10377--------------------------------------------------
Re: To much Ethanol warning
By: 660magnum Date: July 20, 2012, 3:39 pm
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An indication that you suddenly have more ethanol in your gas is
that the chainsaw or power tool will run lean.
I doubt it would hurt anything if you could get the tool to run
like the mixture was set correctly?
#Post#: 10385--------------------------------------------------
Re: To much Ethanol warning
By: EHP Date: July 20, 2012, 8:12 pm
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biggest problem with ethanol is you have to use a oil that will
mix with it and most oils will not mix with ethanol , just for a
joke get some E85 and mix your normal oil with it and watch
what happens ;D, the snowmobile industry has been telling the
gov't that once gas hits E15 they are pretty much finished as
the oil they are using now will not mix with that much ethanol
#Post#: 10386--------------------------------------------------
Re: To much Ethanol warning
By: rms61moparman Date: July 20, 2012, 8:18 pm
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Don't you believe it!!!
My Dolmar dealer recently tested the fuel in a saw returned to
him for diagnosis and warranty work and the ethanol was 60%!!!
That's right folks. SIXTY per-cent ethanol in fuel from a local
Marathon station.
Marathon didn't hesitate on blink.
Fix it and send us the bill.
He submitted the invoice online, went to pick up lunch for the
crew and when he got back (20 min. max) the funds were in his
account!
Mike
#Post#: 10396--------------------------------------------------
Re: To much Ethanol warning
By: Al Smith Date: July 21, 2012, 4:38 am
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I've never encountered it but I would imagine you could tell
almost instaintly as to how the saw runs .I think it takes
something like 40 percent more per volume than gasoline to get
the same power .
#Post#: 10406--------------------------------------------------
Re: To much Ethanol warning
By: EHP Date: July 21, 2012, 4:25 pm
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Al, I have played alot with ethanol in saws , you can tell just
by the colour of your fuel if its got much ethanol in it , stuff
like E85 which is 85% ethanol unless you do some major carb work
you will not get the motor to even partly run and if you ever
got it up and screaming unless you got the tip on your sparkplug
cut it would not shut down either until it was to late , ethanol
acts alot like methanol but on jetting its about the middle
between gas and methanol
#Post#: 10409--------------------------------------------------
Re: To much Ethanol warning
By: Chainsawrepair Date: July 21, 2012, 5:01 pm
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[quote author=EHP link=topic=1054.msg10385#msg10385
date=1342833179]
biggest problem with ethanol is you have to use a oil that will
mix with it and most oils will not mix with ethanol ,
[/quote]
Thats why I still use oil that mixes with Methonal and Nitro
still. Klotz tech told me it will be no problems with the KL-200
Original Techniplate and KL-100 Super TechniPlate but he
warned to stay away from R50 as it will not stay mixed with
ethanol at 10% let alone anything over that.
KL-200 Klotz lubricant is for use with 2-stroke and 4-stroke
engines with methanol alcohol and gasoline fuels. Biodegradable
formula. Superior film strength and Anti-Scuff protection.
Cleaner burning reduces carbon and residue build-up. De-gummed
formula reduces ring sticking. Klotz Red color for easy mixing
and castor racy odor. Blends with gasoline, methyl alcohol, and
nitromethane. Contains rust inhibitors.
KL-100 For use with 2-stroke and 4-stroke engines with methyl
alcohol and gasoline fuels. Blended with 80% TechniPlate
Synthetic Lubricant and 20% BeNOL Racing Castor Oil
Superior film strength and Anti-Scuff protection Cleaner
burning reduces carbon and residue build-up De-gummed
formula reduces ring sticking Klotz Red color for easy mixing
and castor racy odor Blends with gasoline, methyl alcohol, and
nitromethane Contains rust inhibitors
R50 is a pure synthetic lubricant designed exclusively for use
in all sustained Hi-RPM 2-stroke racing engines. R 50™ film
strength is comparable to castor oil with the benefits of Clean
Burn™ technology. Klotz R 50™ will challenge and outrun the
competition in the following ways: TechniPlate® lubricity
system for superior film strength and anti-scuff protection
Extreme Load Carrying Capacity to eliminate bearing and ring
wear Clean Burn™ technology reduces carbon and residue
build-up Contains familiar Klotz Red for easy mixing and racy
odor Anti-Oxidation protection against rust and corrosion
Power Valve formula
You notice R50 says noting about mixing with alcohol and the
head tech I spoke with dont recommend it for ethanol gas let
alone anything over 10% at all. Told me to stay with my 200 or
100 I used in racing days.
#Post#: 10412--------------------------------------------------
Re: To much Ethanol warning
By: EHP Date: July 21, 2012, 5:44 pm
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I use KL 200 to mix my methanol and ethanol
#Post#: 10415--------------------------------------------------
Re: To much Ethanol warning
By: Chainsawrepair Date: July 21, 2012, 7:15 pm
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[quote author=EHP link=topic=1054.msg10412#msg10412
date=1342910655]
I use KL 200 to mix my methanol and ethanol
[/quote]
Thats what I use too.
#Post#: 10465--------------------------------------------------
Re: To much Ethanol warning
By: Al Smith Date: July 24, 2012, 4:08 am
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I wonder how Marathon screwed up so bad with the formula ? In
the past I spent a lot of time working in refineries and they
don't screw up as badly as that as a rule .
Just speculating but I'd imagine that fuel came from Elk Grove
Ill .
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