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       #Post#: 17309--------------------------------------------------
       2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Murray d. Robredo in nailbite
       r for title
       By: masterclass Date: October 18, 2014, 2:57 pm
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       Valencia Open 500
       [1]Ferrer v Seppi
       Verdasco v Mayer
       Qualifier v Youzhny
       Giraldo v [6]Bautista Agut
       [3]Murray v Melzer
       Qualifier v Fognini
       Kozlov v Klizan
       Kohlschreiber v [7]Anderson
       [8]Simon v Dolgopolov
       Chardy v Qualifier
       Granollers v Carreno Busta
       Qualifier v [4]Lopez
       [5]Isner v Robredo
       Lu v Garcia-Lopez
       Lajovic v Sousa
       Andujar v [2]Berdych
       Respectfully,
       masterclass
       #Post#: 17310--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Draw Out!-1st post
       By: Clay Death Date: October 18, 2014, 4:17 pm
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       Thanks for posting the draw general
       This should be interesting.
       #Post#: 17316--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Draw Out!-1st post
       By: thetruth Date: October 19, 2014, 1:34 am
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       Anyone know how the final 8 is turning out? Has Berdych
       qualified yet? Raonic took a hit recently.
       Glad Rafa isn't playing. Not worth the risk. I wish he would let
       Basel and Paris go as well.
       #Post#: 17338--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Draw Out!-1st post
       By: Emma Date: October 19, 2014, 6:59 pm
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       Basel and Valencia are both happening at the same time TT so
       Rafa can't be in both tournaments.
       Anyway, thanks for the draw masterclass. Andy's qtr looks rather
       tricky with Fognini, Klizan, Kohlschreiber, Andserson etc. but
       perhaps one match at a time.
       #Post#: 17351--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Draw Out!-1st post
       By: masterclass Date: October 20, 2014, 6:27 am
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       You're welcome, Emma. I wouldn't be surprised to see either
       Ferrer or Murray, or both falter, and maybe get a bit of rest
       before Paris. The tournament in Vienna seemed tough on them.
       They were barely holding it together for much of that last set.
       Too bad they are drawn together for the 3rd straight tournament.
       :(
       Could be an opportunity for somebody else in their half, maybe
       Klizan or Anderson? This tournament has fairly good depth of
       10-30 ranked players. In the bottom half Berdych played a good
       tourney in Stockholm. Maybe he'll continue here.
       Many struggle with holding their form this time of the year.
       Let's see who has it for the final push.
       Respectfully,
       masterclass
       #Post#: 17354--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Draw Out!-1st post
       By: thetruth Date: October 21, 2014, 2:31 am
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       [quote author=Emma link=topic=821.msg17338#msg17338
       date=1413763156]
       Basel and Valencia are both happening at the same time TT so
       Rafa can't be in both tournaments.
       Anyway, thanks for the draw masterclass. Andy's qtr looks rather
       tricky with Fognini, Klizan, Kohlschreiber, Andserson etc. but
       perhaps one match at a time.
       [/quote]
       I said Basel and Paris, Valencia is in Spain, isn't it?
       #Post#: 17363--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Draw Out!-1st post
       By: Emma Date: October 21, 2014, 6:54 pm
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       [quote author=masterclass link=topic=821.msg17351#msg17351
       date=1413804439]
       You're welcome, Emma. I wouldn't be surprised to see either
       Ferrer or Murray, or both falter, and maybe get a bit of rest
       before Paris. The tournament in Vienna seemed tough on them.
       They were barely holding it together for much of that last set.
       Too bad they are drawn together for the 3rd straight tournament.
       :(
       Could be an opportunity for somebody else in their half, maybe
       Klizan or Anderson? This tournament has fairly good depth of
       10-30 ranked players. In the bottom half Berdych played a good
       tourney in Stockholm. Maybe he'll continue here.
       Many struggle with holding their form this time of the year.
       Let's see who has it for the final push.
       Respectfully,
       masterclass
       [/quote]
       Hola masterclass, I thought Anderson vs Kohlschreiber would be a
       cracker today but it was a pretty straight forward win for
       Anderson instead, so he's definitely looking good. Perhaps
       Klizan vs Anderson will be more interesting.
       I am sure Andy is at least somewhat knackered but so should be
       both Ferrer and Berdych and that really opens up the window for
       each one. Even with Isner gone, Berdych still has Robredo,
       Dolgo/Lopez in front him so it's not as given.
       Ferrer is definitely a threat especially given the hometown
       factor but Andy has won this title before in 2009. He needs to
       though keep his matches as short as possible so that he can save
       as much energy as possible.
       And Ferrer has Youzhny to deal with before he meets with Andy in
       the semi and that's not going to be easy. Youzhny has done quite
       well here in Valencia in the past and has the lead over Ferrer
       in the H2H.
       So let's see.
       #Post#: 17364--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Draw Out!-1st post
       By: Emma Date: October 21, 2014, 7:06 pm
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       [quote author=thetruth link=topic=821.msg17354#msg17354
       date=1413876676]
       [quote author=Emma link=topic=821.msg17338#msg17338
       date=1413763156]
       Basel and Valencia are both happening at the same time TT so
       Rafa can't be in both tournaments.
       Anyway, thanks for the draw masterclass. Andy's qtr looks rather
       tricky with Fognini, Klizan, Kohlschreiber, Andserson etc. but
       perhaps one match at a time.
       [/quote]
       I said Basel and Paris, Valencia is in Spain, isn't it?
       [/quote]
       The confusion isn't geographical. This is the thread for
       Valencia and Nadal isn't playing here. He's in Basel. Paris is
       next week. You said "Glad Rafa isn't playing", because of that,
       it's easy to misunderstand especially when you had entered your
       chain of thought in a separate paragraph. On a second read, I
       assume you meant WTF but that's not final yet.
       [quote author=thetruth link=topic=821.msg17316#msg17316
       date=1413700495]
       Anyone know how the final 8 is turning out? Has Berdych
       qualified yet? Raonic took a hit recently.
       Glad Rafa isn't playing. Not worth the risk. I wish he would let
       Basel and Paris go as well.
       [/quote]
       #Post#: 17375--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Draw Out!-1st post
       By: thetruth Date: October 22, 2014, 3:25 am
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       [quote author=Emma link=topic=821.msg17364#msg17364
       date=1413936397]
       [quote author=thetruth link=topic=821.msg17354#msg17354
       date=1413876676]
       [quote author=Emma link=topic=821.msg17338#msg17338
       date=1413763156]
       Basel and Valencia are both happening at the same time TT so
       Rafa can't be in both tournaments.
       Anyway, thanks for the draw masterclass. Andy's qtr looks rather
       tricky with Fognini, Klizan, Kohlschreiber, Andserson etc. but
       perhaps one match at a time.
       [/quote]
       I said Basel and Paris, Valencia is in Spain, isn't it?
       [/quote]
       The confusion isn't geographical. This is the thread for
       Valencia and Nadal isn't playing here. He's in Basel. Paris is
       next week. You said "Glad Rafa isn't playing", because of that,
       it's easy to misunderstand especially when you had entered your
       chain of thought in a separate paragraph. On a second read, I
       assume you meant WTF but that's not final yet.
       [quote author=thetruth link=topic=821.msg17316#msg17316
       date=1413700495]
       Anyone know how the final 8 is turning out? Has Berdych
       qualified yet? Raonic took a hit recently.
       Glad Rafa isn't playing. Not worth the risk. I wish he would let
       Basel and Paris go as well.
       [/quote]
       [/quote]
       No confusion. I go in all threads, regardless of geographical
       location to trash Nadal for playing through this period. I never
       thought he was playing in Valencia, just another place to let my
       displeasure be felt.
       #Post#: 17391--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 2014 Valencia Open 500 (Oct 20-26) Draw Out!-1st post
       By: Emma Date: October 22, 2014, 8:44 pm
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       No worries. I just misunderstood when I first read it. :)
       But Berdych is gone to Andujar. What up with that? Youzhny is
       gone too and that hurt. Both Ferrer's draw and the bottom half
       have opened up with these losses. Berdych, Simon, Isner all
       gone. Hope Dolgo makes it to final from this half.
       Anderson received a walkover from Klizan. Not sure about the
       reason - perhaps injured? So it will be Anderson for Andy if he
       makes past Fognini.
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