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Masterclass 2014 - 2015 Upset Picks of the Day (2015 US Open -
Day 5)
DIR By: masterclass
Date: March 14, 2014, 11:27 am
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This thread is for anyone to express their upset picks of the
day. It's always possible that what a few people or even most
people consider an upset might not be considered so by someone
else. But don't worry about it. If you consider it an upset,
then it's fine to propose it. Most of us recognize an obvious
upset when we see one.
This thread will be on going. Just make sure the tournament is
mentioned if it hasn't been and the match particulars. You may
or may not give your reasons. It's up to you. :)
If you end up being wrong, don't let it deter you. After all,
it's not expected that the player one picks to make the upset is
likely to win.
Maybe for the big tournaments we will have a contest and see who
is the best at predicting upsets!
If there is any dispute about whether someone is an upset or
not, a betting site will be used to determine the odds. If the
separation is more than a differential of one, then it will be
considered. For example, if Djokovic is at 2-1, and Nadal is
3-1, it is not good enough. But if Nadal is 7-2, than that is
enough to call it an official upset pick. :)
Have fun!
Respectfully,
masterclass
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Re: Masterclass Upset Picks of the Day
DIR By: masterclass
Date: March 14, 2014, 11:32 am
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I'll start things off as an example.
2014 Indian Wells - BNP Paribas Open
QF round.
Unseeded Julien Benneteau to upset [2] Novak Djokovic!
H2H - Djokovic, 5-1, Only loss in straight sets at 2006
Indian Wells.
Respectfully,
masterclass
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Re: Masterclass 2014 Upset Picks of the Day
DIR By: Emma
Date: March 14, 2014, 12:19 pm
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Ah very naughty. I know both you and herc want Nole to lose so
that Federer can get this title and haha at that, but I can't
possibly root or call for an upset for my own player. At the
same time I can't say there won't be an upset since anything is
possible as we've seen at the AO final. Besides, Nole has been
pushed as well.
I won't mind participating though in the future but I will have
to keep a very fair mind otherwise I won't feel good about it.
It was easy to pick Dolgo over Raonic but not because I hate
Raonic but because the circumstances were leaning towards it. If
it's all that then I am in.
In my mind, I did pick Dolgo to upset Nadal but only because
Nadal wasn't playing well and Dolgo was looking rather sharp and
determined.
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Re: Masterclass 2014 Upset Picks of the Day
DIR By: masterclass
Date: March 14, 2014, 12:44 pm
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Hmm, one should be careful of judging another person's
motivations in their picks. I could very well be jinxing
Benneteau, so that Djokovic will make it to the semifinal, etc.
;) If that were the case, I wouldn't want to confirm that
though for obvious reasons. Of course, many people don't
believe in jinxes, or that sort of stuff. :)
And sure, if one seriously feels a favored player is ripe for an
upset, for whatever reason, it is the ideal time to call it, no?
I've made far more money than I've lost doing just that. But
you have to really know just when to do it, and not overdo.
Betting on a favorite is easy, but doesn't usually get you quite
as much return.
Respectfully,
masterclass
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Re: Masterclass 2014 Upset Picks of the Day
DIR By: Emma
Date: March 14, 2014, 12:51 pm
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But that's all there is. I have no idea if you are trying to
jinx Benneteau or not. But given that you are a very big Federer
fan it's easy to assume that you'd want Nole to go out. Because
otherwise you would come across as too or over confident in your
picks/upsets etc. So highly unlikely that you would.
And if you don't believe in jinxes and I don't think you do,
then it or the intention remains the same, innit.
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Re: Masterclass 2014 Upset Picks of the Day
DIR By: masterclass
Date: March 14, 2014, 1:13 pm
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Not at all. If I were a big Federer fan...I'd want Djokovic to
make it to the final and get destroyed by Federer.
But really I'm a fan of great tennis, as General Hercules can
tell you. Historically, Djokovic-Federer matches produce some
pretty good tennis matches. More so than Federer-Nadal, or
Murray-Djokovic for example. So in that case, I would hope that
Djokovic makes it through and gets to play Federer and they both
play well, produce some great tennis, and the best player on the
day wins.
I'm not one of those silly fans that wants the better players to
lose so that my player can more easily win. What kind of
challenge is that? It is not the way of the warrior. And that
is how I look at men's tennis. The best play with the heart and
mentality of a courageous warrior when they are confident. When
they are not confident, it shows. For example, Rafael Nadal is
a big fighter, maybe the biggest. But when I see him drop back
to the fence to return for no reason, I just cringe. He is
sending a message to the server... I am not confident today.
I'll play back here and get more time to deal with the shot. He
didn't win the hard court events last year doing that. Why?
Because he was super confident in his game.
Most of the top players can play great tennis more often by
definition. That said, there are certain match-ups where a
player does not allow the other to play their best tennis for
whatever reason. Many lower ranked players are also capable of
playing some good or even great tennis. The problem is that
they don't often have the belief when they run into a top
player, and they implode at the critical moments. But it's a
game played by two players, and many times a player can force a
player to play worse than he would against another player.
Now there are times, when a player is not in form, not on his
game at all, and it that situation, I think he might be better
off losing to some other player than his biggest competitors,
for psychological reasons, and get out of the tournament and
work on their game. Tennis is not only about playing matches.
To be at one's best, one has to constantly work on their game,
and especially when one is not in form. Playing matches when
not in form or playing with injury is a recipe for destroying
confidence and it leads to a vicious cycle of losing to players
to whom you shouldn't lose. Hard practice, focusing on the
deficiencies and strengths in your game leads to better form.
Winning matches leads to better confidence.
Sometimes it can be difficult to find the right balance, as one
does need match play as well. I think Federer was in this
position much of last year. I think Murray is in this position
this year. Djokovic is also not on his game. I think Nadal is
risking his game, and his confidence is lower. That's why I
believe he shouldn't play in Miami, get 100% healthy, and get on
the clay and work on his game until Monte Carlo starts.
Ok, enough, said.... :)
Respectfully,
masterclass
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Re: Masterclass 2014 Upset Picks of the Day
DIR By: Emma
Date: March 14, 2014, 2:55 pm
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Okay, fair enough. This does not answer the question though -
what are you basing your recent upset on? What makes you think
Benneteau will upset Nole? If it's just an example then never
mind but otherwise I am not seeing any reason as to why
Benneteau would upset Nole. Trying to jinx Benneteau would be
just another silly attempt as well so I don't see you doing
that. Typically upsets happen when there's a very good chance
and we can detect those ahead of time - such as form,
confidence, matchup etc. So I don't see your angle there.
Anyway, I do agree with your assessments on Nadal. He plays bad
when he lacks confidence. He was very confident last year as he
started out really fresh when the other top players looked
pretty jaded after a long season. Since then Nadal has won a lot
and played a lot so he too now is not feeling as fresh or not
feeling mentally as confident as last year. So it's understood.
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Re: Masterclass 2014 Upset Picks of the Day
DIR By: Emma
Date: March 14, 2014, 3:02 pm
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Of course you might want to track back Benneteau's path where he
had seemingly upset Tsogna but Tsonga is a no show for a while
and also, Nole and Tsonga aren't in the same league. I don't
underestimate Benneteau and anyone can pull an upset on any
given day as we've seen quite a few at last year's Wimbledon,
but it is also not as common. In any case, there's not much
credit in that.
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Re: Masterclass 2014 Upset Picks of the Day
DIR By: Yin Nooy
Date: March 14, 2014, 4:03 pm
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I think Benneteau is a quiet achiever and it would be good if he
can cause an upset tonight. Highly unlikely again Djokovic but
you never know, tennis is a game where the tables can change at
any time.
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Re: Masterclass 2014 Upset Picks of the Day
DIR By: Clay Death
Date: March 14, 2014, 7:31 pm
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--- Quote from: Yin Nooy link ---
>
> I think Benneteau is a quiet achiever and it would be good if
he can cause an upset tonight. Highly unlikely again Djokovic
but you never know, tennis is a game where the tables can change
at any time.
>
--- End Quote ---
welcome to Camelot Yin Nooy.
we are very glad you are here. please make yourself at home and
post anywhere you wish or please.
Julian can put in a solid performance once in a while. he must
be 32-33 by now but still plays and competes at a pretty high
level.
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