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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: Emma Date: November 19, 2013, 6:56 pm
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He grew up idolizing Laver that much I know. He also liked Lendl
a great deal but he got to play in his laters years when he was
a rising star.
Pete beat Muster in the 4th round, then Lendl in the qtr final,
McEnroe in the semi and then Agassi in the final to win his
first Major in 1990 - the USO.
In 2002, again at the USO, he beat Haas, Roddick, Schalken and
Agassi to win his last Slam.
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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: Clay Death Date: November 19, 2013, 7:03 pm
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pistol pete was tough enough on clay too: he won the Italian
open.
RG is just not that easy to win.
certainly the RG+Wimbledon double is not easy.
it took 30 years for somebody to come along and do it after
borg.
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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: Emma Date: November 19, 2013, 7:12 pm
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[quote author=Clay Death link=topic=126.msg3398#msg3398
date=1384909416]
pistol pete was tough enough on clay too: he won the Italian
open.
RG is just not that easy to win.
certainly the RG+Wimbledon double is not easy.
it took 30 years for somebody to come along and do it after
borg.
[/quote]
And now you will have 3/4 people doing and possibly a lot more
in the future. Surface being all the same it helps.
Sampras did beat some 'decent' players like Muster, Kafelnkov,
Courier, Agassi, Bruguera, Corretja (twice in Rome Masters) on
clay. Playing two weeks of tennis on clay was just too much from
him to ask especially when Wimbledon was just around the corner.
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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: thetruth Date: November 26, 2013, 6:26 am
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[quote author=Emma link=topic=126.msg3299#msg3299
date=1384816290]
It's not only McEnroe but also Agassi. He was very colourful and
had a few outburst on court too, so compared to that, Sampras
looked boring. Also, Sampras' serve was very dominating so that
didn't make those people very happy who wanted to see long
rallies.
[/quote]It's not only McEnroe but also Agassi. He was very
colourful and had a few outburst on court too, so compared to
that, Sampras looked boring. Also, Sampras' serve was very
dominating so that didn't make those people very happy who
wanted to see long rallies.
[/quote]
I never thought he was boring in any way. He didn't bring a lot
of attention to himself, but I found that refreshing. I had quit
watching tennis for a while at that time. Then, I started
hearing all this talk about Agassi so I decided to check him
out.
But, Agassi didn't do it for me. There was something about him
that made me uncomfortable, and while I was checking out the
tennis scene I saw Pete and was hooked instantly.
On Inside the Glory Jim Courier said that the media (and McEnroe
and Agassi, who are always in cahoots) decided to portray Pete
in that manner. It was an arbitrary decision that had no basis
in reality.
Now, I will admit that Pete is rather socially awkward and
doesn't speak well publically, but his tennis was sublime, and
that's all I cared about.
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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: britbox Date: December 1, 2013, 1:04 am
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[quote author=Emma link=topic=126.msg3006#msg3006
date=1384660012]
Oh I should tell you this and my experience is first hand since
you know I was at Murray's forum for almost two years. I have
yet to find one Brit person who liked Sampras. They all hated
him and they still do. They liked Agassi and they still do.
baron britbox is no different i am sure.
And if you ask them why they didn't like Sampras then they will
always give you this bizarre reason, 'he was boring and he was
all about serve'. Bizarre because Goran was also a big server
but they adored him.
But the funny thing is now, a lot of them or at least 80% of
them on the forum simply hate Federer but Federer also have a
lot of fans from the UK. You can tell you when hear those loud
voices at WTF. some of them sound quite drunk at times and I was
told later by a fan who was there that a lot of Fed fans were
actually drunk.
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I didn't care for Agassi much. I preferred Sampras out of the
two, but didn't root for either. Edberg was my favourite player
through to his retirement and then a little gap through to Marat
Safin.
Nobody I knew ever liked Goran until he won Wimbledon unseeded
in a fairytale script. He'd come close so many times and people
warmed to him when he finally achieved his dreams and showed how
much it all meant for him. Other than that, he was never
universally liked from what I can remember.
At the WTF, all the thuggish Fed fans rolled in drunk after a
day of rampant violence shortly followed by Murray fans who had
spent the day in church and helping old people across the road.
:)
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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: Emma Date: December 1, 2013, 10:13 am
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Goran was very well liked at Wimbledon. I strictly remember
their 1998 encounter in the final where Goran received a lot of
support from the crowd. A lot more than Sampras received. I was
at the edge of my seat the whole time because there was no room
for errors in that match, unlike today's match where you can
make 50 errors and still win the match.
And Murray fans aren't innocent but I don't think they have
enough room to be obnoxious because they don't have the bragging
right just yet.
Agassi was extremely popular at Wimbledon. In fact, I posted at
Murray's World for almost 2 years and I never once found one fan
who supported Sampras. They loath him and gave me slack every
time I talked about Sampras; on the other hand, they simply
adored Agassi and made excuses to all his obnoxious behaviour
over the years. Given that this forum has about 4000 British
fans, I will take my first hand experience there as enough of a
proof.
And also, given that both Murray and Sampras are a couple of
down to earth type of guys, and Federer is arrogant and Agassi
is basically a prick, I'll make a safe conclusion that the Brits
perhaps adore that kind of personality. And why not. Their media
is after all one of the worsts in the world where people live
and die in the name of celebrities. In fact, a friend once told
me that 'just when you think Federer is arrogant and perhaps a
bad champion when it comes to appreciate his opponents, there
are still two things that are worst than that - Federer fans and
the media that hypes it". Couldn't have agreed more.
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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: Emma Date: December 1, 2013, 1:34 pm
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And of course, it is also my observation that a lot of the
Murray fans at Murray's World dislike Federer a great deal
mostly because they feel he's a bit of a smug. They don't
dislike his game just his attitude. In case of Sampras, they
found his game boring and thought he was all serve. I contribute
that to pure ignorance and being selective. Agassi, on the other
hand, of course can do nothing wrong. For a certain period of
time, Murray was very disliked by a lot of English fans. They
say it's because of his footie comments but I highly doubt it.
Let's put this to test and make Federer say the same things and
see where that stands. Of course, a lot of Federer fans find
Murray's game and personality very boring. That of course stems
from the fact that Murray has Fedeer's numbers but of course,
Fed fans will always throw the 3-1 Slam in your face. Still,
that doesn't explain why anyone would find Murray's game boring
or even his personality. But of course, it's probably a bit too
much for the fans to understand Murray's game let alone his
personality, since they are more used to the one dimensional
game.
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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: Emma Date: December 1, 2013, 1:52 pm
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[quote author=thetruth link=topic=126.msg4032#msg4032
date=1385468798]
It's not only McEnroe but also Agassi. He was very colourful and
had a few outburst on court too, so compared to that, Sampras
looked boring. Also, Sampras' serve was very dominating so that
didn't make those people very happy who wanted to see long
rallies.
I never thought he was boring in any way. He didn't bring a lot
of attention to himself, but I found that refreshing. I had quit
watching tennis for a while at that time. Then, I started
hearing all this talk about Agassi so I decided to check him
out.
But, Agassi didn't do it for me. There was something about him
that made me uncomfortable, and while I was checking out the
tennis scene I saw Pete and was hooked instantly.
On Inside the Glory Jim Courier said that the media (and McEnroe
and Agassi, who are always in cahoots) decided to portray Pete
in that manner. It was an arbitrary decision that had no basis
in reality.
Now, I will admit that Pete is rather socially awkward and
doesn't speak well publically, but his tennis was sublime, and
that's all I cared about.
[/quote]
Courier was quite right in his assessment of the media. Pete was
never a media darling and in truth, he was never into it to
begin with. While McEnroe was genuine in his reactions on court,
Agassi was a bit of a media whore. He loved the attention. He
got away with a lot of ugly stuff he said about Sampras and Pete
never had any reaction to it. He couldn't have possibly fallen
for the traps set out by Agassi and get into mindless back and
forth bashings. He was a much better person than that so the
media must have fallen short about it, so they continue to
portray him as boring.
I never found Sampras boring in any regards. If anything he was
very genuine in his take and would have a very original approach
to it. I mean look at their respective books. Sampras' is loaded
with information while Agassi' became very controversial as soon
as it came out, because he added stuff that no one was ready
for. Why do you think? Do you think he was being honest? From a
person who lived his whole life under the limelight and sought
attention as if there's no tomorrow? Well, I have my doubts.
People don't change. They like being who they are twisted or not
But in the big scheme of things, we can't really argue if a
player is boring or if he has the most beautiful game, simply
because beauty is a subjective matter' therefore, can't really
be measured. What you find boring, I may find it very beautiful.
When some say Federer's game is the most beautiful out there, I
highly beg to differ for the reasons given above. Because not
only you have not seen the game of all the other players, but
also, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, as they say. So
let's not make a subjective matter to an objective one. Even so,
it doesn't hold much water. That's why I'd like to say this to a
Federer, just say you find his game as the most beautiful and I
am fine with it, but don't ever say it's by everyone's standard
because it's not.
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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: Emma Date: December 1, 2013, 1:57 pm
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HTML http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1825470-roger-federer-vs-rafael-nadal-goat-talk-unfairly-dismisses-pete-sampras
I enjoyed reading this report however the comments thereafter
just ruin your appetite when you realize the whole point as
successfully missed by Federer fans. There's literally no end to
this nonsense.
Here's a comment by a Fed fan:
"Nice piece, enjoyed reading it. While I accept that Sampras was
a great player (and I loved watching him play), I beg to differ,
King Federer is the GOAT. No one else is even in the
conversation. Come on, look at the numbers, it is not only about
the 17 Grand Slams, but also the 6 WTFs, 23 consecutive slam
semis, 36 quarters, 10 consecutive finals and ABOVE ALL 302
WEEKS AT THE TOP. No one is going to beat these, NO ONE.
Everyone else can compete for the 'second best player in
history' slot. And I am not even talking about intangibles such
as his elegance and class, no one can match his elegance on
court. Fed Floats while eveyone else scampers around."
Obnoxious freak.
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Re: Pete Sampras Picture and Art Galley
By: Emma Date: December 1, 2013, 3:32 pm
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More to the point...
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