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       Re: Live ATP Rankings
   DIR By: Clay Death
       Date: October 17, 2013, 6:11 am
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       you are so right general.
       I wonder how they got that wrong.
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       Re: Live ATP Rankings
   DIR By: Clay Death
       Date: October 17, 2013, 5:24 pm
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       this kid is 6 foot 6.
       some say that he could be top 20 by the end of 2015:
       At a time when there are 29 players over 30 years of age in the
       Top 100 in the Emirates ATP Rankings, it is refreshing to
       witness a teenager making headlines on the ATP World Tour.
       Karen Khachanov (pronounced "Karen Hachanoff") only left high
       school in May this year. But aged 17 and 6’6”, the Russian is
       already being touted as a star of the future.
       Former World No. 1 Yevgeny Kafelnikov, who now works as a
       Kremlin Cup by Bank of Moscow tournament manager, told
       ATPWorldTour.com, “He will be Top 20 [in the Emirates ATP
       Rankings] by end of 2015, and that’s my prediction.”
       This week, Khachanov has beaten Albert Ramos and Janko
       Tipsarevic en route to the Moscow quarter-finals. It is just his
       second ATP World Tour tournament and the third senior-level
       event of his career.
       The last 17 year old to reach the last eight of an ATP World
       Tour event was Kei Nishikori in July 2007 at Indianapolis.
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       Re: Live ATP Rankings
   DIR By: Slasher1985
       Date: October 18, 2013, 1:12 am
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       Interesting stuff there general.
       One thing on the pronunciation though. Karen the male name is
       not pronounced in the same manner as Karen the female name:
       Karen (female) /ˈkærən
       Karen (male) / KARR-ən
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       Re: Live ATP Rankings
   DIR By: Clay Death
       Date: October 18, 2013, 9:03 am
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       we missed this tennis prodigy.
       he is really going to be something if what they say is right.
       he came out of the shadows to showcase his talents. a great
       coach and a lot of hard work should get him to where he wants to
       go.
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       Re: Live ATP Rankings
   DIR By: masterclass
       Date: October 19, 2013, 8:07 am
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       So is Rafa going to get a zero point penalty and/or fine for
       withdrawing from Basel and not traveling there for the
       promotional activities requirement?
       According to the rulebook (Section VIII D.):
       "Players shall not have the ranking penalty assessed if they
       complete the requirements for “promotional activities”; are out
       of competition for 30 days; or the withdrawal complied with the
       requirements for an on-site withdrawal. Players may appeal
       withdrawal penalties to a Tribunal who will determine whether
       the penalties are affirmed or set aside."
       So, he could theoretically avoid that penalty by also
       withdrawing from Paris and WTF and submitting a note from the
       doctor, i.e. per the OOC 30 day+ consecutive rule?   Though I
       doubt he would miss the WTF just to avoid the penalty.
       Another loophole is the vague "withdrawal complied with the
       requirements of an on-site withdrawal", whatever that means.
       Finally, he can appeal for discretionary review before a
       tribunal, which is again pretty vague and I don't think it is
       transparent, though I could be wrong.  Is there somewhere where
       these decisions are publicly published?  I don't know.  It seems
       that we only know the end result once the rankings have been
       published for a period of time.
       So theoretically, he could submit a doctors note to the tribunal
       that said he needed complete rest, no travel, no activity for a
       week or 10 days, and the tribunal could affirm it or set it
       aside.
       I'm going to guess he will not get fined, but may get the 0
       point penalty...
       But anyway, this process is a thorn in the side of automated
       rankings... :)
       Manual adjustment seems a necessary evil.
       Respectfully,
       masterclass
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       Re: Live ATP Rankings
   DIR By: Slasher1985
       Date: October 19, 2013, 2:05 pm
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       There has been a lot of chatter lately on this. Nadal will 95%
       get a penalty for this withdrawal, but about 80% of the
       penalties ever given have been lifted after 1 or 2 weeks (Haas'
       after 6 months) due to a player appeal. This is one of the worst
       rules ATP have deemed worthy to be in the rulebook so it's
       impossible to anticipate with 100% accuracy if the year end
       rankings will feature Nadal with a penalty or not.
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