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Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded Age ;
For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: September 25, 2022, 6:46 am
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As with virtually every case of murder or other noteworthy
crime, there are similarities between the Brown Murder and other
cases of homicide throughout history.
Nothing new under the sun as they say....I thought these two
cases might be of interest for those interested in Manhattan
murders, prior to and after the Hotel Murder.
Here then are two from New York.....one because of the public
interest it received ; the fact that there was a dispute over
the verdict ; and that the press played a significant role in
being more than a case of just a prostitute being murdered
Helen Jewett (born Dorcas Doyen October 18, 1813 – April 10,
1836) was an American prostitute in New York City who was
brutally murdered. One of her regular clients, Richard P.
Robinson, was tried and sensationally acquitted of her murder.
Jewett's murder and Robinson's subsequent trial was one of the
first sex scandals to receive detailed press reporting, notably
in the New York Herald. Public opinion was divided between those
who felt that Jewett had deserved her fate, and others claiming
that Robinson had escaped justice through powerful connections.
-Wikipedia-
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Jewett
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The other case also featured a disproportionate press presence (
the Hearst-Pulitzer press 'war'), the coverage of which dwarfed
that of the Brown Murder (and even the Whitechapel Murders) in
New York. The East River gets a nod or two in the case and
despite it not being about the murder of a prostitute, it did
have a sexual component.
The Guldensuppe Murder 1897
Edmund Pearson in Vanity Fair, 1934
HTML https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/1934/2/the-guldensuppe-murder
Peter Levins The American Weekly 1949 ( in PDF at bottom)
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Re: Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded
Age ; For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: September 25, 2022, 7:07 am
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No study of Gilded Age murders is complete without the most
celebrated crime of them all : the Murders of Andrew & Abby
Borden on August 7, 1892 in Fall River, Massachusetts.
This is Edmund Pearson's seminal 1924 book, 'Studies In Murder'
which has a comprehensive treatment of the Fall River murder and
Lizzie Borden's role in that case.
HTML https://archive.org/details/studiesinmurder1924pear/mode/2up?view=theater
Fall River, in 1892, was an important city in the US & to a far
greater degree than it is today. It was the textile capital of
America.
However, just imagine had the murders occurred 16 months earlier
in Manhattan and at the same time the Hotel Murder occurred.
The underwhelming interest in the Hotel Murder would without a
doubt attract even fewer interested persons had the Borden
Murders occurred earlier in New York.
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Re: Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded
Age ; For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 26, 2022, 3:05 pm
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I think only the Helen Jewett murder rates a comparison, if
you're just talking about the crime itself. The other examples
are domestic crimes and, although they feature axe jobs and the
severing of bodies, it's not really comparable, unless you
believe in Primacy of M.O.
They do that in Ripperology - mixing in everything and/or
classifying just based on mutilation and body severing and
weapon used regardless of victimology. To me, it's a smokescreen
or periferology. I wouldn't even rate post-mortem mutilation in
the same classification as torture mutilation.
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Re: Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded
Age ; For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 26, 2022, 3:34 pm
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This case looks very comparable.
Leo Frank
Leo Max Frank (April 17, 1884 – August 17, 1915) was an American
factory superintendent who was convicted in 1913 of the murder
of a 13-year-old employee, Mary Phagan, in Atlanta, Georgia. His
trial, conviction, and appeals attracted national attention. His
lynching two years later, in response to the commutation of his
death sentence, became the focus of social, regional, political,
and racial concerns, particularly regarding antisemitism. Today,
the consensus of researchers is that Frank was wrongly convicted
and Jim Conley was likely the actual murderer.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank
This is the Mary Phagan murder. Am I nuts or did a black man
murder a factory girl and then try to frame another black man
for the murder, and then the authorities used him to frame a
Jewish man for the murder and make it look like the Jewish guy
was the one trying to frame the second black man, and then the
Jewish guy was lynched, and the real murderer got away?
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Re: Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded
Age ; For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: September 26, 2022, 4:55 pm
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I think only the Helen Jewett murder rates a comparison, if
you're just talking about the crime itself. The other examples
are domestic crimes and, although they feature axe jobs and the
severing of bodies, it's not really comparable, unless you
believe in Primacy of M.O.
The Guldensuppe Murder and Borden murder were comparable in
terms of how sensational they were in 1897 and 1892,
respectively.
I listed those to show other cases comparable in terms of public
interest* and press coverage....which were present to a great
degree in the Brown Murder. That's all. I'm well aware of the
types of weapons used, that two people had a hand in the
Guldensuppe Murder, and that Borden walked. That was not what I
meant when I said comparable.
If you had read the headers before the two cases ( Guldensuppe
and Borden), you'd have understood why I put them on the thread.
I wasn't talking about 'the crime itself'.
* The press were very active from April 24th to May 7th....then
a lull until May 14th/15th.....then it picked back up in late
June up until July 5th, two days after the conclusion of the
trial....then it went into fade out mode.
All in all, the case was front page news for approximately 25 of
the 71 days ( April 24-July 3) that it lasted....from murder to
verdict.
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Re: Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded
Age ; For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: September 26, 2022, 5:08 pm
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They do that in Ripperology - mixing in everything and/or
classifying just based on mutilation and body severing and
weapon used regardless of victimology. To me, it's a smokescreen
or periferology. I wouldn't even rate post-mortem mutilation in
the same classification as torture mutilation.
No argument there.
Out of curiosity, what the hell is periferology ? ??? ;D
[emoji1]
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Re: Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded
Age ; For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 26, 2022, 6:24 pm
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Out of curiosity, what the hell is periferology ?
I think Debra A invented that word. I may have spelled it wrong.
It's the study of everything peripheral to the case as opposed
to studying the case.
Of course, sometimes you don't know what's peripheral and what's
integral. And it can sometimes be a matter of debate. But I
prefer to work from the inside out.
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Re: Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded
Age ; For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 26, 2022, 6:42 pm
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The Guldensuppe Murder and Borden murder were comparable in
terms of how sensational they were in 1897 and 1892,
respectively.
I listed those to show other cases comparable in terms of public
interest* and press coverage....which were present to a great
degree in the Brown Murder. That's all. I'm well aware of the
types of weapons used, that two people had a hand in the
Guldensuppe Murder, and that Borden walked.
Borden walked as did Robinson. As did OJ and Blake. And C Kniclo
got away. So along with the press coverage etc. as you say,
there's also a possibility to make a comparison as to who gets
away with murder, or gets to be acquitted as opposed to others,
whether they're innocent or not.
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Re: Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded
Age ; For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: April 23, 2023, 12:16 pm
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Here's one that occurred in Chicago which was compared to the
Brown Murder with no mention of the Whitechapel Murders, an
unusual occurrence for that time frame.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/4jUwSNu.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/biZowfP.jpg
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Re: Classic Cases From The Past Up Until The End Of The Gilded
Age ; For Comparative Purposes
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: April 23, 2023, 12:26 pm
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A few more murders, most more gruesome than the Brown Murder,
from New York in the same decade.....
'Golden Haired Girl' , 1899
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