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Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: September 19, 2022, 4:18 pm
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Two PDF's entitled Yungstreet Andersen, the name of a man found
in the NY World by Youngstreet Franzoi.... probably no relation,
but you never know : )..........
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Re: Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 19, 2022, 8:20 pm
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I know that some American newspapers will change the name of a
person for liability reasons or what-not, as in the case of the
Brame story of the Ripper in Chile where, in the Galveston Daily
News, John Anderson became Sanderson, etc. But New York papers
don't seem to do that. So this man arrested for drunkenness
called himself Yungstreet! He can't even say his first name
while drunk?
With a name like Yungstreet, it sounds like he could come from
TO!!
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Re: Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 20, 2022, 5:05 pm
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Yungstreet Anderson was found on a thread of NY World articles
on another site. This was during research on the candidate, for
George Damon’s hired-hand Frank, named Frank Anderson.
We all mostly agree now that “Frank” was Carrie’s killer. He had
the key to the room, etc.
So I can give you a rundown on why Frank Anderson makes a good
candidate for “Frank” besides the coincidence of another 30 year
old Swedish sailor with the same last name being arrested who
said he was at the Hotel the night of the murder.
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Re: Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 21, 2022, 12:51 am
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I guess I have to get the failed the "line-up" possibility out
of the way first. Was Yungstreet taken before witness Mary
Miniter to see if she could ID him as C. Kniclo? It doesn't look
that way unless she was being kept at Police Headquarters but I
think she was kept in the Tombs.
[QUOTE]...A reporter for THE WORLD, who went aboard the Colorado
last night, found Rossmissell in a very uneasy frame of mind. He
said that it had occurred to him that he answered the
description of the murderer, and added that on the night of the
murder he was aboard the ship. He is under police surveillance
and is to be brought face to face with Mary Miniter today.
The number of persons who visited the Morgue yesterday and asked
permission to look at the body of old "Shakespeare" was very
large. The attendant, Mr. Finnegan, denied permission to many,
some of whom were from the Fourth Ward. During the afternoon a
man who said he was John F. Flower, of No. 849 East One Hundred
and Sixty-first street, came in and said he had employed old
"Shakespeare" as a servant two years ago. She told him then that
she had married Charles Brown, captain of a ship, but that he
had died. He had not seen her for nearly two years.
ANDERSEN'S STRAIGHT STORY.
Among the prisoners taken to the Seventh Precinct Police Station
yesterday afternoon was a man about thirty years old, who had
been arrested on a charge of being drunk and disorderly on the
street.
When arraigned at the bar his appearance, features, height, age
and dress so closely resembled the description of the East River
Hotel murderer that the officer on duty began to question him.
He replied to the questions promptly, and although under the
influence of liquor quickly appreciated the fact that he was
suspected of being the murderer of the old woman. "I am not in
any way connected with that crime," he said, "but I did spend a
night at the hotel where the murder was committed - the same
night the woman was killed." I went there with a female
companion, hired a room and we slept there. I left the next
morning, and knew nothing of the crime until I saw it in the
papers." The man gave the name of Yungstreet Andersen, thirty
years old, a Swede, and said he was a seafaring man with no home
in this city.
He was sent to Police Headquarters and after being examined by
Inspector Byrnes, was returned to the station-house, where he
was released yesterday, after being fined for intoxication.
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Re: Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: September 21, 2022, 3:09 am
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She, along with six others, occupied the seven cells at the
precinct station. ( NY Evening World, April 25th)
The World article you brought up has him at the station on the
26th.
In addition, Byrnes cleared him. She could have been on the
Moon and they'd take potential candidates for C. Kniclo to her
or her to them. Her location is irrelevant.
Andersen is just one in a litany of men brought before Miniter
for identification purposes.
Byrnes' dismissal of Russmissell and Andersen is satisfactory
for me, IMHO. They dragged Miniter all over the area for days
looking for C. Kniclo. Hard to believe they'd skip over
Andersen.
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Re: Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: September 21, 2022, 1:49 pm
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This is from the NY Evening World, April 25th...I overlooked it
this morning
List of detainees :
HTML https://i.imgur.com/rTpIHoe.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/CYh1ept.jpg
So, it is probable that Miniter was in the Tombs on April 25th
and most likely on the 26th. If Yungstreet Andersen raised
sufficient interest as a potential suspect, I think it is safe
to say that Miniter was taken in to the 7th Precinct to give him
the once over.
I'm curious as to why you pursue the theory that Andersen was
'Frank'.
Because Andersen didn't have the key, didn't work in Cranford, &
wasn't in Cranford on the day of the murder ( 24th). Pursuing
him, your prerogative of course, runs contrary to the position
that you've maintained that the key was necessary to open the
door of room 31 since Andersen didn't have it. Andersen
probably didn't know Cranford from cranberries.
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Re: Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 21, 2022, 2:39 pm
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Frank Anderson arrived and deserted on the 20th and would have
left NY sometime after the murder. He’s next registered in the
Dreadnaught Seamen’s Hospital in London the following year.
I don’t believe anything George Damon says except that he picked
up a Scandinavian sailor named Frank and that he left one day,
leaving behind the key to Room 31 and bloody clothes.
I can leave Yungstreet Anderson out of the equation, even if I’m
not convinced he “passed” a “line-up” and list reasons why I
have Frank Anderson as Frank.
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Re: Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: September 21, 2022, 2:48 pm
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I don’t believe anything George Damon says except that he picked
up a Scandinavian sailor named Frank and that he left one day,
leaving behind the key to Room 31 and bloody clothes.
Sorta makes zero sense for Andersen-as-murderer to return to the
area, doesn't it ?
Sort of makes less sense for risking being placed before Miniter
who would have remembered him instantly.
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Re: Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: September 21, 2022, 2:58 pm
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I don’t believe anything George Damon says except that he picked
up a Scandinavian sailor named Frank and that he left one day,
leaving behind the key to Room 31 and bloody clothes.
Actually, this is the seminal part ( believable or not) of what
Damon said in 1901....and what had Ali released from prison.
Anything else he said can be and will be scrutinized....but
you're claiming that the murderer left the key to room 31 in
Cranford. That's cool.
It also gets Yungstreet off the hook. Not only was the Danish
Farmhand there on the 24th ( according to Damon) but unless he
was retarded, he didn't go back to
Manhattan and get drunk.
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Re: Yungstreet Andersen
DIR By: guest5
Date: September 21, 2022, 4:13 pm
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How does being in New Jersey on the 24th get the Farmhand off
the hook or get Yungstreet off the hook for being the Farmhand
and/or the murderer?
It should be noted that we’re talking about 3 characters - Frank
(the Farmhand/sailor), Frank Anderson (the sailor) and
Yungstreet Anderson (the sailor). If they’re not the same person
as I’m theorizing, then they’re either 3 or 2 different people.
Yungstreet and Farmhand Frank were by evidence or confession at
the scene of the crime but you can divide the 3 up into 2 anyway
you want.
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