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Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: August 17, 2025, 7:15 am
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The Last Will & Testament of Charles E. Brown
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Re: Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: Kattrup
Date: August 17, 2025, 11:31 am
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Thanks I tried looking for Magdalena S. Liebsch, no luck - do
you have anything on her?
There are two sailmakers in Salem, called Anton and Andreas
Liebsch, I'm guessing one is her son, the other her husband
perhaps?
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Re: Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: August 17, 2025, 11:48 am
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Pete:
Try her father, although it might be another Anton Liebsch.
Her parents were born in Denmark. She was born about 1851 in
either Germany or Denmark ( Nina says there are records
for both nations). Father was Anton Liebsch. Mother was Anna C.
Ubringson.
She got married in Salem on September 30th, 1874, and moved to
Wisconsin.
She died in Illinois in 1929.
She doesn't appear in the 1860 or 1870 censuses.
Charles Brown was living at 7 Becket Street in 1866, listed as a
boarder.
Methinks Magdalena was the caregiver for the two children...or
involved somehow with their growing up when Charley was out at
sea.
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Re: Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: August 17, 2025, 12:00 pm
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On the other hand, since she doesn't appear on the two censuses,
perhaps she came here just before the will was made ( Sept. 1872
).
She probably wasn't the caregiver of the kids. I recall Gary
Thomas mentioning who took care of the kids.... chatted with
Jose Oranto three hours
ago about the same thing.
As far as I can make it out, Carrie's husband was the nephew of
my great-great-great
grandfather but was very close to him. My ggg-grandfather's name
appears on almost every important document in
Charles E. Brown's life from naturalization to his will and
Brown served as a junior officer on ships he captained until
Brown became a master mariner in his own right. The Browns also
lived with my ggg-grandparents when first arriving in
Salem. Upon her husband leaving her and the death of Brown about
1872, my ggg-grandmother raised their two
surviving daughters. Gary Thomas, Sept. 28, 2011
Was Magdalena a mail-order bride? Arranged marriage?
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Re: Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: Kattrup
Date: August 17, 2025, 4:06 pm
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Perhaps Magdalena was a relative, they came from the same
region.
The reason both Denmark and Germany are mentioned is because she
came from the Schleswig region, which was Danish until 1864. So
the people born there were born in Denmark, but afterwards
Germany.
Same with Charles Brown and his uncle Lassen. It’s another
reason they’re hard to find; Schleswig sources are not online to
the extent Danish sources are.
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Re: Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: August 17, 2025, 5:56 pm
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The reason both Denmark and Germany are mentioned is because she
came from the Schleswig region, which was Danish until 1864. So
the people born there were born in Denmark, but afterwards
Germany.
Thanks for that, Pete.
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Re: Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: Jose Oranto
Date: August 18, 2025, 12:36 am
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--- Quote from: Howard Brown link ---
>
> On the other hand, since she doesn't appear on the two
censuses, perhaps she came here just before the will was made (
Sept. 1872 ).
> She probably wasn't the caregiver of the kids. I recall Gary
Thomas mentioning who took care of the kids.... chatted with
Jose Oranto three hours
> ago about the same thing.
>
>
> As far as I can make it out, Carrie's husband was the nephew
of my great-great-great
> grandfather but was very close to him. My ggg-grandfather's
name appears on almost every important document in
> Charles E. Brown's life from naturalization to his will and
Brown served as a junior officer on ships he captained until
> Brown became a master mariner in his own right. The Browns
also lived with my ggg-grandparents when first arriving in
> Salem. Upon her husband leaving her and the death of Brown
about 1872, my ggg-grandmother raised their two
> surviving daughters. Gary Thomas, Sept. 28, 2011
>
>
> Was Magdalena a mail-order bride? Arranged marriage?
>
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I read the thread you sent me, How, thanks for that. I may have
missed it, but I don't think Gary Thomas ever mentions the names
of his grandparents, which, unfortunately, doesn't make the
information useful.
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Re: Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: Jose Oranto
Date: August 18, 2025, 12:48 am
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--- Quote from: Kattrup link ---
>
> Thanks I tried looking for Magdalena S. Liebsch, no luck - do
you have anything on her?
>
> There are two sailmakers in Salem, called Anton and Andreas
Liebsch, I'm guessing one is her son, the other her husband
perhaps?
>
--- End Quote ---
I don't have access to US records, but one clue that could lead
to Magdalena would be "Charles L. Liebsch," who died on May 18,
1864, and was buried in the family plot. If anyone can trace
this, I recommend also trying the spelling "Liepsch, Liebech,
Leibach and Lepsch."
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Re: Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: Jose Oranto
Date: August 18, 2025, 1:55 am
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It may be...
Maria Magdalene Laucandt/Laucaudt, wife of Anton Mathias
Liebsch.
Born December 10, 1836, Denmark
Died March 24, 1893, Salem
Children:
Ella Brown Lee
Andreas F. Liebsch
Anna S. Curtis
She cannot be found in the family plot at Harmony Grove because
she was buried in Greelawn Cemetery (the other cemetery I also
had the opportunity to visit)
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Re: Brown's Will - 1872
DIR By: HowBrown1953
Date: August 18, 2025, 4:40 am
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Thanks a lot, Jose...great work!!
If you don't mind my asking, what led you to go to both of the
cemeteries ( The only two in Salem)?
I read the thread you sent me, How, thanks for that. I may have
missed it, but I don't think Gary Thomas ever mentions the names
of his grandparents, which, unfortunately, doesn't make the
information useful.
Gary is related to the Lassen family, if that helps at all.
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