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       Re: New gps for xmas
       By: Swan-of-Avon Date: November 12, 2014, 2:00 pm
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       Forgot to say I received my  New Garmin 650 yesterday from
       Handtec via Amazon within 24 hours of ordering it for £282.90
       plus £5.95 post and package.
       As this is my Christmas present from Mrs S-of-A, I cannot use it
       until the day but I have negotiated release of the quick start
       manual (first year level) but online info.much more helpful,but
       not from Garmin where the "proper" manual is currently
       unavailable.Don't you just love em?!!
       #Post#: 8447--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New gps for xmas
       By: Bear and Ragged Date: November 12, 2014, 2:51 pm
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       [quote author=Swan-of-Avon link=topic=583.msg8446#msg8446
       date=1415822438]
       Forgot to say I received my  New Garmin 650 yesterday from
       Handtec via Amazon within 24 hours of ordering it for £282.90
       plus £5.95 post and package.
       As this is my Christmas present from Mrs S-of-A, I cannot use it
       until the day but I have negotiated release of the quick start
       manual (first year level) but online info.much more helpful,but
       not from Garmin where the "proper" manual is currently
       unavailable.Don't you just love em?!!
       [/quote]
       Worth registering it via:
  HTML http://www.geocaching.com/garmin/freetrial.aspx
       and
       getting/extending Premium Membership for 30 days...
       (Does seem to be 'playing up' at the moment, but the lackeys are
       aware of the problem!)
       #Post#: 8448--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New gps for xmas
       By: walktall Date: November 12, 2014, 4:12 pm
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       [quote author=Swan-of-Avon link=topic=583.msg8445#msg8445
       date=1415821729]
       i have done a lot of research on options including testing this
       forum but have not found any phone/gps hybrids  other than of
       course the ubiquitous ipads,Androids and mobile apps. which are
       not a patch on dedicated gps for serious caching.
       Maybe,one day? Probably!
       [/quote]
       That is what I thought as well but like to keep looking.
       #Post#: 8449--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New gps for xmas
       By: tarmacjohn Date: November 12, 2014, 4:19 pm
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       Dragons Den?
       #Post#: 8450--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New gps for xmas
       By: Swan-of-Avon Date: November 12, 2014, 4:32 pm
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       Maybe Dragons Den sometime, but not many clever electronics
       people (Cambridge?) realise the potential .
       Maybe one or two are reading this.
       Hint:- needs the gps and waterproof and tough screen which also
       encloses 3g or 4g phone access as internet not reliable out
       there,and about the size of a small Garmin.
       Dream on.!
       #Post#: 8451--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New gps for xmas
       By: SangueG Date: November 16, 2014, 1:43 am
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       [member=46]Swan-of-Avon[/member], what a wonderful present. Are
       you going to try find a cache on the day? I would not be unhappy
       if Santa dropped one my way. Santa, do you read this forum? :D
       To answer earlier question, I have not seen reviews for the
       rugged phone I have posted. To be more accurate I have not seen
       reviews for how well the GPSr part of it works. If you look on
       Amazon and other reseller sites there are user reviews for Runbo
       phones but not detailing a main part we are interested in.
       I did see the Runbo X5 is 3G. Mixed reviews on that one:
  HTML http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rugged-Android-Phone-Runbo-X5/dp/B00B5FGO6S
  HTML http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rugged-Android-Phone-Runbo-X5/dp/B00B5FGO6S
       #Post#: 8454--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New gps for xmas
       By: walktall Date: November 16, 2014, 5:00 am
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       Thank you [member=51]Gackt[/member] I just wondered if you had
       any more info :)
       #Post#: 8457--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New gps for xmas
       By: Swan-of-Avon Date: November 21, 2014, 4:33 pm
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       Well Mrs S-o=A bought me my first little e-trex and then my
       present Garmin Hcx which has been just great but is now getting
       a little weird at times so she offered to buy the 650.
       I really am facing a learning curve cus whatever they say the
       Hcx does not do downloads from the website and boy have I tried.
       If I have trouble with the 650 I will post as matters progress.
       If anyone has words of one syllable to instruct on downloads to
       an Hcx I would be pleased to hear but please no convoluted
       Garmin speak with multiple updates which do not work.Sorry but
       been there.
       Do not have any words re the alternatives mentioned but no one I
       have met out there has ever been using anything other than
       Garmins or smart phones,iphone and androids.I have the latter
       and though it's okish it is just not reliable enough to be of
       much use unlees cnnected to the net which don't really work out
       there.
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