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Interesting developements...
By: Bear and Ragged Date: June 14, 2014, 5:13 am
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Seeing the subject of this weeks poll, it's 'interesting' that
the most recent develpements with Groundspeak are:
Posted in the GAGB Facebook page.
[quote]Dave Palmer
It is with a extremely heavy heart [in fact over the last 24
hours, I've shed many a tear, as I've told people, ad read
messages] that of Midnight GMT+1 13th June 2014. I ceased to be
a Groundspeak Volunteer Reviewer.
Over the last few months, the gulf between how I work to provide
the best support the community needs and deserves. And how
Groundspeak expect me to work in a Corporate manner. Has widened
to such a extent, that it became irreparable.
The recent incident, which because I achieved a perfect result
means I bow out on Cloud Nine,
Has show that Groundspeak has lost it's way, it regards to it's
customers, who are hobbyists. And now instead requires them to
be treated as business customers.
So it was with a heavy heart, that I found that I could not meet
Groundspeak's requirements to comply with a multi page document
on accepted behaviour. Which override the needs of the community
to comply with Corporate Ethos.
This issue being deliberately escalated to cause as much trouble
for me personally, by a individual I will not name. Made me
realise, just how much Groundspeak has lost it's way.
The company which started off as one Owned and Run by
Geocachers, has grown into one so large. That people with
specialised skills have had to be brought on board, these people
not being Geocachers, but being turned into Geocachers. Means
that the true understanding of the Hobby and the people who form
it's community, has been lost to a Corporate Ethos. Where the
Company comes before the needs of the customer.
Several months ago, Groundspeak were "requiring" a Cache Owner
to post to a Cache Description, That is was "not" to be
accessed, by RoW, because the Landowner of the property the RoW
ran over, but not the property the cache was located on.
Requested so.
Despite me sending 2 very polite and clear emails to
Groundspeak, explaining that the "requirement" was illegal under
UK Access Laws. I got the reply back "Groundspeak complies with
all reasonable requests by a Landowner", this showed a lack of
understanding of Local Law, and a total ignoring of what I had
explained.
To block the "requirement" I was forced to send a strong worded
email, pointing out, that if the "requirement" was posted to the
Cache Page. It would open the Cache Owner and possibly
Groundspeak for requiring it to be posted, to Legal Action under
UK Access Laws.
But despite the fact I had first made two attempts to politely
and quietly resolve the issue. Having both being ignored. I
became the person at fault.
From that point forward, I knew that the gulf between what was
best for the community, and Groundspeak's now Corporate Ethos
was getting ever wider.
So I spent several months, dreading every direct email off
Groundspeak, wondering when they came in, whether that would be
the one to remove me as a Volunteer.
So when the current issue arose, and I did what I had to stop a
small community from splintering to pieces. This was not taken
into account, despite a offer to request those involved in the
dispute, contact Groundspeak directly.
Instead I was informed that because I had failed to read the
multi page document, on expected Reviewer behaviour, and comply.
I had 14 days in which to resign or be removed as a Volunteer.
I chose the immediate option of resigning and set the cut off as
Midnight GMT+1 13th June. Because I can no longer Volunteer for
a Company, which has so lost it's way, and instead become like
any other company in that it has become a Corporate Entity.
I would like to thank my former colleagues, who are special
friends. I have been blessed and privileged to work with you,
and watch the team grow.
Not working with you, will just like no longer being a
Volunteer, leave a huge hole in both my life and my heart.
To the community I can only say that I owe so much gratitude for
the last eight years, which have been so special. That now words
can adequately express my gratitude to you
So with tears in my eyes, and a heavy heart, for the final time
I sing off with
Deceangi[/quote]
Link >
HTML https://www.facebook.com/groups/thegagb/permalink/776524675721325/
For those of us that have been caching for more than a year or
two, there are shades of previous discourse from several years
ago...
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Re: Interesting developements...
By: Bear and Ragged Date: June 14, 2014, 5:17 am
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And, if you're not on farcebook, link to the GAGB site >
HTML http://gagb.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=71066#post71066
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Re: Interesting developements...
By: walktall Date: June 14, 2014, 11:51 am
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Thank you for that B&R. We talked about this at the Splash Mob
event to day; TJ mentioned it to me as I hadn't heard about it.
Very sad, Deceangi has done some excellent work for the caching
community and I think it's GS loose he has gone :(
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Re: Interesting developements...
By: Griff Grof Date: June 14, 2014, 12:28 pm
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[quote author=walktall link=topic=529.msg7644#msg7644
date=1402764705]
Thank you for that B&R. We talked about this at the Splash Mob
event to day; TJ mentioned it to me as I hadn't heard about it.
Very sad, Deceangi has done some excellent work for the caching
community and I think it's GS loose he has gone :(
[/quote]
Yes, thanks for posting this here B&R. I too was saddened when I
heard TJ say this.
I think Deci's enthusiasm really did do brilliance for our UK
community, he has organised the UK Mega account tender process
since Harrogate, and he has really got involved with local
caching groups, I believe he posted a couple of times on our old
forum.
And I agree about GS losing such a great reviewer.
I really do agree with him with regards to GS heading in the way
of corporate companies :(
I really, really do hope GS can start listening to us and remind
themselves of the hobby that is keeping their company alive - it
is unreasonable to upset people over their own hobby. :(
What do you think GS will do, now that Deci has brought his
experiences to our attention ???
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Deci resign's
By: L8HNB Date: June 14, 2014, 5:56 pm
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I'm sure you guys who are in the know have heard the news that
Deceangi has thrown in the towel with Ground Speak.
Deci has been a stalwart for UK caching since we began and while
the actions he has taken have not always gone smoothly or been
popular we feel that he has been a fantastic asset to UK
caching.
We have no personal interest here, We've never met him, but have
respected the work that he has done over the years.
He has put a post on gc.com UK forum explaining his reasons for
resigning.
H.
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Re: Interesting developements...
By: Griff Grof Date: June 15, 2014, 2:22 am
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[member=62]L8HNB[/member] thanks for posting this :)
You may have missed B&R's thread, so I have merged both your
topics together :)
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Re: Interesting developements...
By: L8HNB Date: June 15, 2014, 3:18 am
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Oops! Thanks Griff...
:-[
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