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       #Post#: 6850--------------------------------------------------
       Is it right to ever find your own caches?
       By: Griff Grof Date: January 27, 2014, 2:00 am
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       For instance, if you've placed a cache with someone under their
       account should you ever log it? Caches you've adopted but
       haven't found? Your caches you've sent for adoption? Any other
       examples?
       What do you think?
       #Post#: 6851--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it right to ever find your own caches?
       By: tarmacjohn Date: January 27, 2014, 6:39 am
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       Personally, if I let any of my caches get adopted I wouldn't
       claim a find on them. Caches I have adopted I don't have a
       problem claiming the find as long as it was before the adoption.
       If you have placed a cache with another cacher then again no
       problem claiming it at a later date.
       Ultimately, it is only yourself you have to satisfy
       #Post#: 6852--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it right to ever find your own caches?
       By: walktall Date: January 27, 2014, 7:14 am
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       The short answer is - it depends, which isn't much of an answer
       ::)
       So, I found Glorious Glos cache years ago but now through
       adoption, I own it - I can't see any issue with this.
       I would have thought before you adopted a cache, you would have
       had some interest in that cache, so therefore had already found
       it. But, if for some reason you hadn't found it and adopted it,
       then no.
       Caches you've put up for adoption - There are different levels
       here:
       1) Is any special knowledge needed to find this cache e.g.
       solving clues or cyphers, travelling distance to collect
       information you already have, etc
       2) Ingenious cache hides (similar to 1 above but this is about
       the physical side)
       3) Regular caches
       Case 3: I can't see any issue once adopted, they aren't your
       caches, so yes especially as we all know, caches get moved about
       at GZ and sometimes you can't find your own caches doing
       maintenance :o
       Case 2: This is more difficult especially if the D/T is an
       unusual one, as you know what to look for
       Case 1: If you go through the steps a cacher with no prior
       knowledge would go through, yes but also case 2 applies here.
       Helping a CO place a new cache - There are different levels
       here:
       1) Did you physically place the cache in the 'hole' for the CO
       2) You visited the site but the CO placed it while you weren't
       looking or not there
       3) You just helped with the listing and suggested hiding spots
       but hadn't visited GZ
       I think in any of these cases, yes you should be able to find
       this cache but for cases 1 & perhaps 2: no FTF, case 3: I would
       let others have chance for a FTF as you had prior knowledge but
       are you that desperate for a FTF ???
       As TJ says:
       [quote author=tarmacjohn link=topic=482.msg6851#msg6851
       date=1390826371]
       Ultimately, it is only yourself you have to satisfy
       [/quote]
       #Post#: 6853--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it right to ever find your own caches?
       By: SangueG Date: January 27, 2014, 7:31 am
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       [quote author=tarmacjohn link=topic=482.msg6851#msg6851
       date=1390826371]
       Ultimately, it is only yourself you have to satisfy
       [/quote]
       This.
       I see cachers with high numbers of finds, who haven't actually
       found some that they log.
       I have looked at archived caches and I have seen cachers who
       have logged those when they clearly haven't.
       I have seen a lot of things that could easily annoy me if they
       were against Geocaching rules...
       But Geocaching is mostly covered by guidelines, not rules, so
       any number stats are not that meaningful unless you compare with
       another cacher who you know has played the same way as you.
       If Groundspeak really wanted to enforce not finding caches you
       have hidden but have been adopted by others, or not logging
       archived caches, or other reasons, they could easily implement
       the restriction. But they have chosen not to.
       As they have left it open to us if we want to log a find or not
       on these sort of examples, I leave my opinion open, in that I
       would decide on a case by case example as if I would log a find
       or not. I certainly not about to log caches if I feel I am
       cheating myself.
       #Post#: 6854--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it right to ever find your own caches?
       By: Griff Grof Date: January 27, 2014, 11:51 am
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       [quote author=tarmacjohn link=topic=482.msg6851#msg6851
       date=1390826371]Ultimately, it is only yourself you have to
       satisfy
       [/quote]
       I echo... ^ this. TJ, have you ever considered writing 'The
       Philosophy of Caching"  ;D
       I agree with what you've all said though.
       The Kildanes caches Wacky races still owns are walking distance,
       but I haven't logged them.
       I doubt I would log my own caches after sending them for
       adoption, but, as you say WT, they move  :o
       What about 5/5s?
       #Post#: 6876--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it right to ever find your own caches?
       By: pigdogboyandgirls Date: January 31, 2014, 10:31 am
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       No.
       But everyone has their own caching rules. What's right for one
       isn't necessarily right for another.
       #Post#: 7326--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Is it right to ever find your own caches?
       By: Yorkshire Yellow Date: March 25, 2014, 7:10 am
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       I've found a standard multi cache which I've then gone on to
       adopt and also my event cache.  That's all.
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