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#Post#: 5390--------------------------------------------------
Shouldn't Multi's and Unknown's be one type?
By: Griff Grof Date: July 17, 2013, 12:52 pm
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Just wondering what people think on this one...
I think they overlap, for example an Unknown cache can lead you
on a trail too, as it can reveal coords to it in another cache.
Surely the rules to differentiate them should be stricter (ie
Unknown is just puzzle and Multi just involves multiple
locations/caches) or they should be unified into one cache
type...
What are your thoughts? :)
#Post#: 5392--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shouldn't Multi's and Unknown's be one type?
By: SangueG Date: July 18, 2013, 12:18 am
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They do overlap often. Some of the most interesting caches I
have found have been combinations of the two.
It's easy to determine if a cache should be a puzzle type when
setting one. If there is a puzzle to solve at any point to find
the cache, then it is a puzzle whatever else has to be done to
retrieve the cache, including visiting multiple stages. There
are cachers though that are more than capable of solving
puzzles, but maybe are not capable, or just not happy to tackle
a long distance multi to find a cache. Sometimes COs are good at
giving distance info on cache pages through listed waypoints or
by using the attributes, but not always.
I wouldn't make the rules stricter, but have thought about this
in the past and came up with another, what I believe would be a
good simple solution for groundspeak, which other people may of
thought of too. That is have another cache type icon. Puzzle for
puzzle, Multi for multi, and PuzzleMulti for the combinations. I
cannot see it being implemented though because of the thousands
of caches already out there that are in place on the existing
icons.
A side note, has anyone come across any other caches with the
same query? Do other cache types have to conform? I give Lair of
the Lost Boys as an example. That one is not a straight forward
letterbox. Are letterbox cache setting rules different to other
types?
#Post#: 5395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shouldn't Multi's and Unknown's be one type?
By: walktall Date: July 18, 2013, 4:55 am
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Couldn't you say getting numbers from other caches and putting
them into a formula and getting an answer is solving a problem
which is a Puzzle?
The cat is now out of the bag........
What about Letterbox caches where the co-ordinates is where the
cache is actually sited (I'm guilty of this, I ran out of time).
Surely the idea for a letterbox is that you follow directions
(not sets of co-ordinates like a multi) from a known starting
point to find the cache and you can stamp your 'book' when you
found it, like Lair of the Lost Boys :)
#Post#: 5399--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shouldn't Multi's and Unknown's be one type?
By: SangueG Date: July 18, 2013, 7:42 am
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Good point on the getting numbers and putting them into a
formula etc! I hadn't thought about that angle, I was just
thinking about more complex puzzles.
Maybe not just multies and puzzles, but all physical caches
should be just one type 'a geocache', and any specific details
about how to find were just noted on the cache pages, and the
finder decides from that if they want to go find. That might
make things simpler? :)
Never having done a letterbox outside of geocaching, I am not
really up on how they are supposed to work. From geocahing.com I
have just understood that they are a geocache, but with a stamp
inside, and I know no more. So, if I am reading you correctly,
Lair of the Lost Boys for example is how they are supposed to be
laid out? In which case that is the only one I have found that
is laid out correctly, my other finds were just normal caches
with a stamp.
#Post#: 5400--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shouldn't Multi's and Unknown's be one type?
By: walktall Date: July 18, 2013, 11:49 am
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[quote author=SangueG link=topic=380.msg5399#msg5399
date=1374151373]
So, if I am reading you correctly, Lair of the Lost Boys for
example is how they are supposed to be laid out? In which case
that is the only one I have found that is laid out correctly, my
other finds were just normal caches with a stamp.
[/quote]
Correct, you follow clues/directions NOT co-ordinates to find a
true letterbox.
#Post#: 5401--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shouldn't Multi's and Unknown's be one type?
By: Griff Grof Date: July 18, 2013, 12:15 pm
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Letterboxes... Hmm, yes, I think that's another dodgy one at
times: if I remember correctly, the only requirement Groundspeak
set is that the cache has a stamp in it? (Though it'd be nice
for it to be guided traditionally)
Always wondered why GS were trying to merge Letterboxing in to
Geocaching - was it to bring in more players ;) :D... to the
'official Global GPS cache hunt site' - what makes them official
over the others? :o ::) :D
#Post#: 5403--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shouldn't Multi's and Unknown's be one type?
By: Bear and Ragged Date: July 18, 2013, 2:44 pm
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[quote author=Griff Grof link=topic=380.msg5401#msg5401
date=1374167742]
Letterboxes... Hmm, yes, I think that's another dodgy one at
times: if I remember correctly, the only requirement Groundspeak
set is that the cache has a stamp in it? (Though it'd be nice
for it to be guided traditionally)
Always wondered why GS were trying to merge Letterboxing in to
Geocaching - was it to bring in more players ;) :D... to the
'official Global GPS cache hunt site' - what makes them official
over the others? :o ::) :D
[/quote]
As Letterboxes were there first, and cachers (Old Style!) and
Letterboxers often hide in similar places, it makes sense to
make cachers aware of Letterboxes, so if a cacher find a
Letterbox they knew what it is.
#Post#: 5410--------------------------------------------------
Re: Shouldn't Multi's and Unknown's be one type?
By: gaz_zippy Date: July 19, 2013, 9:46 am
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The majority of puzzles I have found are solve puzzle, usually
from home, then go and find cache at co-ords you have generated,
occasionally there is more to do, a twist or two, for the
puzzles I have found these are usually only puzzles from
blindmouse though, almost expected that there will be a twist to
be honest ;D
Occasionally I miss puzzles that are listed as puzzles, but are
actually go to listed co-ords, find a sign, do some work to
build co-ords and find cache, personally I see these as multi
caches, so I agree there is some cross over on types, but again
I think these types are more caches of the older variety, I find
the newer ones, post 2010, seem to be set as the 'correct' type
(or 'correct' as I understand each cache type)
I certainly wouldn't have them as one cache type, in a nutshell
I see Puzzle as 'work required from home' and multi 'I can do
this with no research beforehand' the majority of the time this
rings true, but there are always exceptions....
The majority of Letterbox caches I have done are only that type
due to there being a stamp in the box, I can think of two where
extra work was required, giving them a puzzle element, but using
what I understand to be Letterbox techniques, these two are
listed below:
CTC - Burial Lane (Letterbox Hybrid) (GC19M60)
HTML http://coord.inf
o/GC19M60
Stagecoach Stash (GC136H4)
HTML http://coord.inf
o/GC136H4
This one was a little different, as the cache hide was a small
red post box container, inside an actual letterbox that had been
attached to a fence
YO7 56 Thorpefields (GC30N1C)
HTML http://coord.inf
o/GC30N1C
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